TN: Occupy spoof comes to town- Party at Joe's!

[MLipton]

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by MarkS:
A 1961 vin jaune and NO WRITEUP?

What the Hey?

One of the greatest of the night, for me. Oldest Ch. Chalon/vin jaune that I've encountered that wasn't moribund (I've had a couple recently with very low fills). Delicious, long, complex, quite fab. The acetaldehyde flavors have moderated (condensation reactions, Professor Lipton?), and the whole package was mellowed and varied.

Since you asked: yes, the acetaldehyde crosslinks the tannins in what is termed "non-oxidative tannin condensation." I ran across that piece of information when arguing with someone about the role of oxygen in tannin crosslinking. The authorities at UCD term the process non-oxidative because oxygen isn't involved in the crosslinking chemistry in the same way that it is in the formation of biphenyl-type adducts, despite the fact that acetaldehyde only arises in wine through oxidation processes.

Sorry you asked now?
Mark Lipton

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by MLipton:

Since you asked: yes, the acetaldehyde crosslinks the tannins in what is termed "non-oxidative tannin condensation." I ran across that piece of information when arguing with someone about the role of oxygen in tannin crosslinking. The authorities at UCD term the process non-oxidative because oxygen isn't involved in the crosslinking chemistry in the same way that it is in the formation of biphenyl-type adducts, despite the fact that acetaldehyde only arises in wine through oxidation processes.

Sorry you asked now?

Not at all.

Not sure how much tannin those wines start with, though.

But this one did have a pretty decent sediment, which is why that picture caught me decanting it.

 

[SFJoe]

Could some also just be heading down the road through crotonaldehyde and so on?

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

originally posted by Jay Miller:
I saw no Vinothek either.

Was I at the same dinner?

Did you miss the Champagne Room?

He missed breakfast

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by SFJoe:
Could some also just be heading down the road through crotonaldehyde and so on?

Almost certainly, given how acidic an environment that is, but any crotonaldehyde produced will get consumed rapidly because it's such a hot shit Michael acceptor. Regarding the crosslinking of acetaldehyde, it will happen with any phenolics in the wine -- doesn't have to be tannins at all.

Mark Lipton

 

[SFJoe]

Sounds eminently reasonable to me.

 

[Chris Coad]

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by MarkS:
A 1961 vin jaune and NO WRITEUP?

What the Hey?

One of the greatest of the night, for me. Oldest Ch. Chalon/vin jaune that I've encountered that wasn't moribund (I've had a couple recently with very low fills). Delicious, long, complex, quite fab. The acetaldehyde flavors have moderated (condensation reactions, Professor Lipton?), and the whole package was mellowed and varied.

I think the winemakers all loved it.

But Chris was taking good notes, maybe he'll have something to say. I was just running around glaring at Brad.

Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east.

 

[Brézème]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Jim Diven:

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
1999 Éric Texier Côte-Rôtie Vieilles Vignes - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
Let it not be said that Joe Dougherty doesn't have a cruel playful streak. At the end of the evening, after an ocean of wine, he pulls this from his cellar, puts a bag over it and serves it to Texier and has him guess what it is. Eric doesn't think it's old enough to be Gentaz and so thinks maybe a '90 or '91 Verset. Ha ha! The joke’s on you, Eric. He thanks Joe for the opportunity to try it, to which Joe replies, "No, no! Thank you! You put it in the bottle. I only pulled the cork!"

The good news is that one did not have to be in attendance to know there is something seroiusly wrong with the above paragraph. Any takers?

Not entirely following you .sasha, but are you referring to the fact that Gentaz was made through the 1993 vintage so if he was going to guess 90-91 he should not have ruled it out? Or that the 99 Texier was showing as 8-9 years older than it's vintage?

I thought about that when he said it, but my take was that he considered '90 and '91 Verset to be much more youthful at this stage than Gentaz of a similar age.

IIRC, my guess for the vintage was 99 or 01, certainly not 90 or 91. Which led me to Verset and not Gentaz.
Thanks to SFJoe for opening that bottle, hosting us for that great party. A lot of fun for me.
BTW, bacon in that wine ????? Ok for the acidity, which I can understand when you rate Frog's leap higher than any of the '46s, but bacon? Really I can't follow you here Brad.

Cheers

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Brézème:

The grapevine is abuzz with amphorae. I, for one, am all phorae it.

 

[SFJoe]

Yes, Eric guessed '99, correctly.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by slaton:
Pure murder in SFJoe's eyes in photo 23.

Clearly, he needs this for the front door:

 

[Michael Lewis]

Also, is it correct to say the soil on your shoes ARE not? I can't decide. I mean, "soils" is also a word, but "soil" is in some ways uncountable.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Right Next to This:

Also, is it correct to say the soil on your shoes ARE not? I can't decide. I mean, "soils" is also a word, but "soil" is in some ways uncountable.

"Soil" is singular in the way that "water" is singular. This is a subject-verb error. Now that I've said that as an absolute, "committee" can be used with a plural verb as in "the committee believe," particularly if you are English and over 100 years old. So maybe there is some tradition of treating "soil" that way.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

I put it down to the shortest attention span ever. Hell, the noun that goes with the verb was four words back; let's just make it agree with "shoes."

 

[Steve Edmunds]

it depends on what the definition of "is" is, isn't it?

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Brézème:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Jim Diven:

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
1999 Éric Texier Côte-Rôtie Vieilles Vignes - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
Let it not be said that Joe Dougherty doesn't have a cruel playful streak. At the end of the evening, after an ocean of wine, he pulls this from his cellar, puts a bag over it and serves it to Texier and has him guess what it is. Eric doesn't think it's old enough to be Gentaz and so thinks maybe a '90 or '91 Verset. Ha ha! The joke’s on you, Eric. He thanks Joe for the opportunity to try it, to which Joe replies, "No, no! Thank you! You put it in the bottle. I only pulled the cork!"

The good news is that one did not have to be in attendance to know there is something seroiusly wrong with the above paragraph. Any takers?

Not entirely following you .sasha, but are you referring to the fact that Gentaz was made through the 1993 vintage so if he was going to guess 90-91 he should not have ruled it out? Or that the 99 Texier was showing as 8-9 years older than it's vintage?

I thought about that when he said it, but my take was that he considered '90 and '91 Verset to be much more youthful at this stage than Gentaz of a similar age.

IIRC, my guess for the vintage was 99 or 01, certainly not 90 or 91. Which led me to Verset and not Gentaz.
Thanks to SFJoe for opening that bottle, hosting us for that great party. A lot of fun for me.
BTW, bacon in that wine ????? Ok for the acidity, which I can understand when you rate Frog's leap higher than any of the '46s, but bacon? Really I can't follow you here Brad.

Cheers

I guess I misheard you on the guess. I'll go back and edit.

As for the Cote-Rotie, yeah, I got a lot of bacon. I even told Joe that after he poured me a glass and thanks to Joe, I've had better bottles of both '46's.

 

[Jim Diven]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Jim Diven:

originally posted by .sasha:
The good news is that one did not have to be in attendance to know there is something seroiusly wrong with the above paragraph. Any takers?

Not entirely following you .sasha, but are you referring to the fact that Gentaz was made through the 1993 vintage so if he was going to guess 90-91 he should not have ruled it out? Or that the 99 Texier was showing as 8-9 years older than it's vintage?

The former. You prize is, you are in on the IPO of 2012 Opale.

A bigger prize than you might think. As BJ can tell you, we don't get in on the premier of anything LDM out here in the PacNW hinterlands. They are just selling the 2010 Opale now. But then the contest has been declared null and void right? A misunderstanding no doubt fueled by excessive sugar consumption from Huet demis, and Prager auslese.