TN: Illustrating convergence between modern and traditional Rioja

Tim York

Tim York
Rioja Contino Reserva Viña del Olivo 1996 Viñedos del Contino Alc. 13.5% - (c.50 for current vintages).

Some Spanish experts, e.g. Victor de la Serna, claim that the taste profile of best "modern" style Rioja tends to get closer to that of the finest "traditional" wines as they acquire maturity. For me up to now, the yardstick has been a few 20-40 year old Riojas, particularly Gran Reservas from CVNE's Imperial and Viña Real, which have stood out as as being on a similar level to my finest Bordeaux and Burgundy experiences with a warm and sensuous elegance all their own. Contino has a much more "modern" approach but I have always found that their wines make fine youngish drinking and have great potential, perhaps even more so than those sometimes impressive offerings of Sierra Cantabria, San Vicente and Roda which have come my way. So I am not surprised to find here an example of from their stable which now achieves a similar sensuous harmony to those Imperials and V.Reals at a much younger age with perhaps greater density to boot. Here is the TN.

Colour was quite deep with little bricking. The nose was discreet with quite a lot of vanilla at first but gradually deliciously complex fruit with a lot of sweet cherry and kirsch hints took over leaving the vanilla in the background. The palate was quite full, more so than often with Rioja, and the fruit more dense but this is no way interfered with harmony because the wines was so seamless with velvety and caressing texture, delicious but quite discreet acidity and enough grip and ripe tannic support for the long finish. This was an elegantly rich and lovely pairing for Easter lamb; 18/20.
 
Thanks for an update on this wine. I've not touched mine yet, but your note makes me wonder if a bottle opened 5 years from now will be more in balance from the start, or will take longer to sweeten up and to cover up potentially drying elements. I've really enjoyed older Contino, but on more than one occasion have contemplated if I'd prefer them a little younger.

I think one could classify the wines of Jesús Madrazo as fairly traditional with some modern elements, at least compared to the other producers you have mentioned; in that sense, a convergence with bottle age is less applicable to your hypothesis.

You mention vanilla - does this mean Contino uses French oak rather than American? I don't recall.
 
Sounds delicious.

I know the different minimum requirements for oak/bottle aging for Reserva and Gran Reserva. Presumably Gran Reserva wines are designed to live longer, but I realize reading your note that I don't really know. Is there any general principle by which winemakers differentiate the fruit that goes into each? Do they do multiple lots and segregate for taste profile? I realize that I don't know what the standards are here, and I suppose they may be different for different producers. Are there cases where it might be reasonable to expect a Reserva or even Crianza to taste better thirty years from vintage than a Gran Reserva from the same producer?

On the more general theme of your note (and VLM's note on the Parusso), are we in for a shock here? Are ultra-spoofed Bordeaux wines going to age out the spoof, as it were? Will it not matter how you treated the grapes thirty years from vintage, at all? I find this hard to believe, but it's a factual matter.
 
Jesus' head and heart are in the right place. I think of him as the guy in the middle--not OTT modern, but riper and darker than Vina Real.

I still drink a lot more Vina Real, though.

ETA--posted in parallel with .sasha.
 
.sasha, I think both American and French barrels are used. The aging period is shorter, which can leave more oak flavor in the wine.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Jesus' head and heart are in the right place. I think of him as the guy in the middle--not OTT modern, but riper and darker than Vina Real.

I still drink a lot more Vina Real, though.

ETA--posted in parallel with .sasha.

Vina Real is slightly more modern these days (slightly on paper, not so slightly if you and I were to try and finish a bottle), but Imperial is cruising at a familiar altitude. My favourite old examples are unquestionably from Vina Real though.
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
On the more general theme of your note (and VLM's note on the Parusso), are we in for a shock here? Are ultra-spoofed Bordeaux wines going to age out the spoof, as it were?

ask me to open 98 poyferre when you are in town
 
Several good points have been made here. Let me comment -

1. The Contino website describes the wine-making for Olivo as follows -

Manual harvesting of the better bunches of grapes out of our plot Viña del Olivo (around an approximately 1000 year old olive tree), that were put in 20 kilo baskets to transport them into the winery to be fermented in our 100 hecolitre French oak winemaking vats at 28-30ºC for 10 days. Malolactic fermentation took place in new French oak barrels, and for the barrel ageing we put the wine in French, American and Hungarian oak casks successively along 17 months. Finally, the wine has stayed ageing in bottle for over a year.

An important missing piece of information is the proportion of new oak in the ageing barrels. However, the wood on this 1996 was fully integrated once the wine had breathed.

2. I agree that Contino is not aggressively "modern". I have never failed to find any of their wines richly elegant and highly enjoyable, even the 2003 Crianza when quite young.

This was not the case of the Roda line-up which I tasted a couple of years ago, where I thought that some lovely fruit was spoilt to varying degrees by aggressive wood flavours; I need to try some more mature examples though the prices are discouraging for experiments.

Sierra Cantabria is a chameleon winery; there are some quite traditional Reservas, Gran Reservas, etc. and some very modern cuvées such as Coleccion Privada, El Bosque and Amancio; a friend used to import this range and I tasted the three last several times at between 7-10 years old and was surprised to find myself enjoying such obvious fruit bombs because the big fruit was lovely and the wood treatment deft. However I can't see them developing the perfect harmony of the Olivo. San Vicente, also from the Eguren stable, is a smooth and quite harmonious wine, a tad more "modern" and obviously woody IMO than Contino.

3. None of the Continos left in my cellar are a higher grade than Reserva but I saw a 1996 Gran Reserva in a local supermarket, of all places, and kick myself for not having snapped up a few bottles. I need to check my records to see if any of the Continos which have gone down the hatch were Gran Reserva. In general the modernists do not attach a lot of importance to such gradings.

Interestingly, three of my finest bottles of Imperial, all gone, were from 1966 without mention of Crianza, Reserva or Gran Reserva; I was told that in those days all Imperials were aged to at least Reserva standard. Two of the three bottles were still remarkably vigorous when around 40 years old.

4. It will be interesting to find out whether hyper-modern Bordeaux will age into something resembling, say, the 53s, 61s, 66s, 70s and 82s. I personally doubt whether this will be the case with the more extreme examples.
 
The fact that you group 82 with the other four vintages is interesting and telling - while there are significant stylistic differences between 70 and just about anything from the 80s, it is my opinion ( and one that not everyone here shares, which is fine ) that the additional spoof of late 1990s makes 70 and 82 look like closely related cousins.
 
Speaking of Rioja, I am not sure if it has been mentioned that our friends Victor, Luis and Jesus have won a special commendation at the Andre Simon Food and Drink Book awards, for their "The Finest Wines of Rioja and Northwest Spain". Way to go!

 
originally posted by .sasha:
The fact that you group 82 with the other four vintages is interesting and telling - while there are significant stylistic differences between 70 and just about anything from the 80s, it is my opinion ( and one that not everyone here shares, which is fine ) that the additional spoof of late 1990s makes 70 and 82 look like closely related cousins.

Inspired by the recent Asimov tasting, this coming Sunday a local wine buddy is going to open all the 82 first growths, plus Cheval and a few seconds. I'm sure a lot of people would kill to be at this tasting. I am looking forward to it.
 
originally posted by Luis Gutierrez:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by .sasha:

That guy in the middle really doesn't look much like Victor.

Unless that is Victor, and the guy you've hosted at you place(s) was not.

Thanks guys. The gentleman is Jon Wyand, who took the brillliant pictures which make the book so good...

I especially loved the picture of Morticia and Gomez.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Luis Gutierrez:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by .sasha:

That guy in the middle really doesn't look much like Victor.

Unless that is Victor, and the guy you've hosted at you place(s) was not.

Thanks guys. The gentleman is Jon Wyand, who took the brillliant pictures which make the book so good...

I especially loved the picture of Morticia and Gomez.

I liked the one of Rojo...
 
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