TN: Potluck at Jay's (May 27, 2012)

regarding the 2 d'Angervilles, with the caveat that I only tasted both right after opening, I found the Caillerets delightful now. The Tallepieds was more tannic and was very good now but IMO showed more potential for the future.

My takeaway was drink the Caillerets now and the Tallepieds later but others differed. They did nothing to change my experience of Volnay being a sweet spot in 2007.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Woo hoo!
meh. you have been corrupted by the usual weaknesses resulting from the venality of popular taste.

an appropriate exposure to some ideologically approved exemplars is all that is required for the purposes of re-education.

on some matters, the party line is not to be ignored.

fb.
 
Da, pravda. It's weird that someone with your discerning taste can't find a Riesling-based wine to love, somewhere. Fatpac will be hitting you with a heavy negative ad buy, if you don't tread carefully.

I'm grooving on Brad's serial NY event photo expos: it's kind of like watching episodes of Modern Family as they trickle down into Hulu. 'What will those crazy kids get up to next?' I ask myself.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Woo hoo!
meh. you have been corrupted by the usual weaknesses resulting from the venality of popular taste.

an appropriate exposure to some ideologically approved exemplars is all that is required for the purposes of re-education.

on some matters, the party line is not to be ignored.

fb.

Tell his fatness about the '83 JJP WS spatlese....
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
You probably ruined your palate by drinking the Pegau.

This quip restores my faith in the steadfastness of the universe. Even as the wheel prepares to spin me back, it's like I never left.
 
Well, while she doesn't express explicit general antipathy, I've never seen winegirl offer a positive tasting note on CdPs.

Still, Pegau, like Beaucastel, is distinctive among CdPs and not to everybody's taste. And, although I didn't have this bottle, I've had the 98 a couple of times in the last year. I like it a lot, but it always seems to me like an adolescent who has grown faster than his ability to deal with his height, and is always tripping over himself. Since we're talking about a 14 year old wine, this may be its personality rather than its stage. Much as I like the wine, I prefer the 99 and the 01--which really is too young, still. So I guess I'm OK with Jeff's note if you add a notch or two more enthusiasm.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Well, while she doesn't express explicit general antipathy, I've never seen winegirl offer a positive tasting note on CdPs.

Still, Pegau, like Beaucastel, is distinctive among CdPs and not to everybody's taste. And, although I didn't have this bottle, I've had the 98 a couple of times in the last year. I like it a lot, but it always seems to me like an adolescent who has grown faster than his ability to deal with his height, and is always tripping over himself. Since we're talking about a 14 year old wine, this may be its personality rather than its stage. Much as I like the wine, I prefer the 99 and the 01--which really is too young, still. So I guess I'm OK with Jeff's note if you add a notch or two more enthusiasm.

My one encounter with the '98 so far has been incredibly Bretty (and this from a self-identified Brett tolerant taster), but it was from someone else's cellar, so we'll see what my own have to show.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Well, while she doesn't express explicit general antipathy, I've never seen winegirl offer a positive tasting note on CdPs.

I no longer have access to eRobertParker.com's forum, but if you do, you'll find at least one there.

No real reason I drink them less than in the past; I don't not like them, however.
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Woo hoo!
meh. you have been corrupted by the usual weaknesses resulting from the venality of popular taste.

an appropriate exposure to some ideologically approved exemplars is all that is required for the purposes of re-education.

on some matters, the party line is not to be ignored.

fb.

Tell his fatness about the '83 JJP WS spatlese....

Yes.

Also, Victor Lederer is fighting the good fight. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the vintage of the Clos Ste-Hune I found so compelling.

But fb, the problem isn't perception or popularity, which tend not to sway my pours, but rather that—most times—the fantastic amount of RS coupled with that reductive riesling (or sulfur) thing are not the charm.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Well, while she doesn't express explicit general antipathy, I've never seen winegirl offer a positive tasting note on CdPs.

I no longer have access to eRobertParker.com's forum, but if you do, you'll find at least one there.

No real reason I drink them less than in the past; I don't not like them, however.

I'm off that board with all the rest of the hoi polloi unsubscribed. Which wine was it, do you remember?
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Well, while she doesn't express explicit general antipathy, I've never seen winegirl offer a positive tasting note on CdPs.

I no longer have access to eRobertParker.com's forum, but if you do, you'll find at least one there.

No real reason I drink them less than in the past; I don't not like them, however.

Here are some you liked in '07:

"2006 Beaurenard Ch“teauneuf-du-Pape - Plenty of material here; slightly tannic and edgy at this point. Garrigue and ripe, ripe dark fruits. I liked this a great deal.

2005 Beaurenard Ch“teauneuf-du-Pape - I thought I liked the 2006 until I met with the suavity of the 2005. Yow, this is a nice quaffer. Serious yet elegant, perched somewhere between the light touch of Mont-Olivet and the more heavy punch of Marcoux.

2005 Beaurenard Ch“teauneuf-du-Pape "Boisrenard" - My only other experience with this wine was a curiously thin (perhaps flawed?) bottle of 2001 with Michel Abood at Willi's Wine Bar last summer. This one corrected my impression of the cuvée. Unlike other top Ch“teauneuf cuvées, this one didn't just increase the saturated intensity but actually brought on a sweeping flood of elegance. A dreamy Ch“teauneuf, maybe not the most powerful, but sweet."
 
Ah, well, this may be a different strokes thing. I like the Beaurenard basic cuvee but always find the Boisrenard too much of a muchness and too aptly named, at least the bois part (I don't think it's foxy).
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Thanks, Brad.

We also had some nice ones at the "cockage" dinner in May 2008.

Indeed. You swooned over the '98 Clos des Papes.

"What I loved was Brad's 1998 Clos des Papes. Yowza! Now that is a swoon-worthy wine. Just light, sneakily approaching, and then flowering on the palate with length and persistency but no heavyhanded aromatics. Loved it. With the Selosse, my favorite of the night."
 
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