Barroche Pure, 06

[MLipton]

originally posted by Asher:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board.

But there is a difference. Pegau isn't spoofolated and slick.

So you are saying that this wine is spoofulated and slick? It doesn't sound that way from Jonathan's description. In light of the (fairly) recent discussion with Steve Timko about Pegau's "spoofulation" I think it likely that some people feel that old-vine Grenache from CdP is intrinsically spoofy regardless of the treatment employed.

Mark Lipton
(avowed Grenache apologist -- shun me now!)

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

Well I did say it was big. And I suppose those tiny Greek philosophers running around inside it might have been injected into it by some technological process unknown to me for resuscitating, shrinking and then injecting hedonists into wine (why does no one make a Hegelian wine ever?). Ripeness, would seem to include Pegau as well. Still, one should remember what Shakespeare said about it:

Men must endure
Their going hence, even as their coming hither.
Ripeness is all.

 

[Cliff]

Now that is an interesting idea. A quick search turns up lots of Weingeists out there. Who knew?

 

[Chris Coad]

I think it likely that some people feel that old-vine Grenache from CdP is intrinsically spoofy regardless of the treatment employed

These people would be confused people.

 

[Bwood]

originally posted by Chris Coad:

I think it likely that some people feel that old-vine Grenache from CdP is intrinsically spoofy regardless of the treatment employed

These people would be confused people.

I think Dr. L is trying to trick us all into another four pages of trying to define "spoofulated." Don't take the bait!

jb (who isn't a member of the Anti-Grenachist splinter faction of the Anti-Spoofulated Party but does understand their concerns)

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

No, my intention was to create an extended discussion of this wine, and thus yet another blending of blue and red America.

 

[Bwood]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
No, my intention was to create an extended discussion of this wine, and thus yet another blending of blue and red America.

Or purple and light red America?

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
No, my intention was to create an extended discussion of this wine, and thus yet another blending of blue and red America.

How sure are you that you are the Dr. L that jb was referring to? The plot sickens!

The Other Dr L

 

[Keith Levenberg]

originally posted by Jeff Connell:
Let me be the first, then. You are buked and rebuked, proven and reproven. It is clear that you know what the Parker board may be chattering about. I'm beginning to think that you may, in fact, be a Parkerist. Feel my withering scorn.

Meanwhile, I'm off to search for a wine, pure grenache, from old, self-rooted vines.

If you feel like trying one that won't invite anti-Parkerist buking and rebuking you can always try Gurrida Victory.

 

[Levi Dalton]

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:

originally posted by Jeff Connell:
Let me be the first, then. You are buked and rebuked, proven and reproven. It is clear that you know what the Parker board may be chattering about. I'm beginning to think that you may, in fact, be a Parkerist. Feel my withering scorn.

Meanwhile, I'm off to search for a wine, pure grenache, from old, self-rooted vines.

If you feel like trying one that won't invite anti-Parkerist buking and rebuking you can always try Gurrida Victory.

Drat. You beat me to the Victory mention by one post.

It is such a sinking feeling when you scroll through the discussion, you know what you are about to post, and then BLAMO someone else pulls the trigger first. Shucks.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by SFJoe:
I had a Chateauneuf I liked over the weekend. Chateau Fortia, I think it was the '95. It was just the ticket with the pot roast, though the unoaked mencia stole a bit of thunder.

Sure beat my corked '85 Pradeaux, tho.

That blows. 85 Pradeaux is great.

Which mencia?

 

[maureen]

so how was that dominus? I have some 91 but have never tried it.

 

[Jay Miller]

Really, I think Keith and I are the only people in town who dislike grenache in general. And even I have liked 3 Chateauneufs, 1 Mas de Chimere Buster and various and sundry dessert wines.

I'm sure this wine sucks though.

1991 Dominus was young but promising about 6-7 years ago. 1985 Dominus was gorgeous last year.

 

[slaton]

originally posted by Jay Miller:
Really, I think Keith and I are the only people in town who dislike grenache in general.

I seem to have become a card-carrying member of this club over the past year or so. Still hanging onto a few bottles of 2001 Clos des Papes and some of Eric's CdRV-St Gervais out of curiosity, though.

 

[Ben Sherwin]

'91 Dominus is ethereal and well worth opening (especially if you have some and not one). Delicate, truffled, persistent. Yum.

Jay doesn't like Grenache in general. Keith is morally opposed to Grenache.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

Both the Dominus and the La Jota were drinking well. To my taste, the La Jota had a slight green pepper streak that I didn't mind but that I didn't miss in the Dominus. Julien, who is not fond of Cab I found out, found green in both wines.

 

[Cliff]

originally posted by Jay Miller:
Really, I think Keith and I are the only people in town who dislike grenache in general. And even I have liked 3 Chateauneufs, 1 Mas de Chimere Buster and various and sundry dessert wines.

...

Have you tried that St. Gervais, in the interest of science?

 

[maureen]

originally posted by Jay Miller:
Really, I think Keith and I are the only people in town who dislike grenache in general. [/quote

You have company in DC.

 

[Ben Sherwin]

Hmmm...I'm not a big fan of mean and green (so not much Chinon-sorry Sharon) and I didn't find that in the Dominus. It did have a light herbal quality that I enjoy in my Cabs, but I didn't see it as green (in the bell pepper sense) at all. Green bell peppers are simply underripe red bell peppers IIRC that don't have the chance to become milder with time on the vine, and that always sums up green for me from a wine perspective.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Ben Sherwin:
Hmmm...I'm not a big fan of mean and green (so not much Chinon-sorry Sharon) and I didn't find that in the Dominus. It did have a light herbal quality that I enjoy in my Cabs, but I didn't see it as green (in the bell pepper sense) at all. Green bell peppers are simply underripe red bell peppers IIRC that don't have the chance to become milder with time on the vine, and that always sums up green for me from a wine perspective.

It was Julien who found the green in the Dominus, not me. As I said, the green was slight in the La Jota and I didn't mind it. Indeed, if I had been drinking the La Jota on its own as the wine Gail and I had been sharing of an evening, I would have been quite happy with it. All comparisons are invidious.