Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Agreed.
It is most often the people that make any wine singular.
Best, Jim
Singular wines
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It is most often the people that make any wine singular.
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Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
I've not had any of Ray's wines, so I couldn't say whether his wines might ultimately bear some resemblances to Truchot's. Frankly, even those people who have tasted Ray's wines have no idea whether they will be anything like Truchot's wines. Wishful thinking, IMHO. With all due respect to Ray, I suspect the most that can be said is he likes the truchot wines he's had, has spent some time with M. Truchot, and might like his wines to be similar to Truchot's.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
Hm. Then should we not be talking singular people? Or singular experiences while drinking wine with people?
This is why I do most of my best singular wine-drinking alone in a dark, cold room. No people to contaminate the experience.
Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
Chris, the Vinotemp is where you store bottles, you don't sit inside there and drink. It's not a sensory deprivation chamber. I mean it had shelves at some point, didn't it?
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This is it.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
The shelves hurt my shoulder and knee. They had to go. Much more comfy now.
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everyone needs a fatcave.
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Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
It's only a hundred bottle unit. The guy is at least 6'2". It's just wrong!
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I vote for Coad removing L'Arpent Rouge from a fatcave and drinking it on his own. In the dark. I don't even need to be there.
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yiz.
there are more wines that are truly singular in this way. the chances are though, readers of this bored won't encounter them.
it isn't that there aren't others out there that share didier and catherine's understanding of farming and vineyard expression. it's just that the likelihood is that you won't come across them. (an obvious factor in this for our new world readers is the loss of a rarely talented, much-bigmouthed visionary who was willing to put his heart and often beautifully dubious rhetorical skills into selling the most singular of ideas: that you don't have to express quality differences with spooge.)
i'll admit now that i'm temperamentally deeply averse to the question posed at the outset. but, even with that said up front like, reading through most of this stuff has me thinking along the lines of "oh my dear fucking lord, not more mollydooker for hipsters..." (no disrespect to sparky's finest, obviously, chris; though, actually, for the most part, fuck the rest of you.)
the fact is, the majority of the stuff you are talking about is just the hispter equivalent of gobby viagra driven bukkake wine. oil thick monster shakes that slap the face and say, "hello!!!! i'm here!!!! geddit!??!!"
the only difference is that they are bio, or orange, or check some other box to reassure you that they have been made by a dude who hugs his terroir on a regular basis; ergo, you gets to have teh taste... and, uh, sure, this shit will let you take refuge in the fact that you have enough credibility to get past teh ebobz and newbz in a pissing contest, but it still marks you down as a rube who is missing what matters by a mile. (and don't you be shaking yo head at the back there, sucka, because this means you more than anyone else.)
question is, does it matter?
it depends: is this all you want? if singular is just another word for 'victorian freak show,' then congrats. you have made a progression from teh ebobz, and acquired another layer of self-dulusion in the process; and for a small fee, the fatcademy will forward you a signed degree to commemorate this big step up in teh wine knowledgez (tm).
if this is not the goal, then, thankfully, there is an alternative: you see, there really are truly singular wines that escape the circle of grotesqueness that we, the entitled mother fucking consumer, drives. crb is one truly great exponent of this approach; and in far more than fairness, truchot was another. see, there are growers who make wines that are truly singular in the sense that they are "real" in a way that much of the shit described in this thread misses by miles. growers whose sense of reality leads them to putting out the fancy shit that tastes almost exactly the same as the less fancy shit.
it isn't obviously singular at all. only somehow, if you pay attention, and maybe even set yourself towards learning some, it tastes more refined. and better. and that, dear reader, is what makes it singular. (for me, one of the coolest things about truchot was the lack of any markedly obvious differences between the villages and the 1er cru and the gc. the difference was in the terroir, and the farming of same, and in its subtle expression through balance, etc., and not in any spooge that was added to reassure you, the consumer, that you were getting what you paid for in the higher appellations.)
expressing quality without adding the training wheels of spooge, "extra" and "personality" is the hardest thing a winemaker can ever seek to do. the will and guts and sheer stupidity to make this kind shit is rare -- many winemaking dudes that you meet who really care and would really like to do this sort of thing never will have the confidence in themselves to even try -- and this is why it is that when you stumble across such a wine, it really does represent the most singular expression of terroir and winemaking that you will ever encounter.
shit is also the hardest thing to sell. it puts the pressure back on you, the consumer: have you the experience and wisdom to appreciate why the honest dude who also hugs his terroir on a regular basis made his wine like this, and why he did so, and why he honestly values it so much, albeit that the differences between his fancy shit and the baby cuvee are really so subtle?
which is to say that mostly, this thread makes depressing reading.
fatboy.
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what could be more beautifully solitary than boy meets cave?
is .sasha the joker?
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
I think this thread was written by depressed people.
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don't dwell on chris and his fatcave. at least until you've tried it. it ain't like you think.
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Oh, I meant those of us who playact to frolic in the sunlight and bolster ourselves with big personality wines.
Chris does seem to see in the dark.
Bill Lundstrom
Bill Lundstrom
depressing why exactly? because some people think movia lunar ia a singular wine?
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no. because as an answer to questions about vinous aesthetics -- or even vinous singularity -- "movia lunar" is about as interesting as "john holmes's dick". (or russ "henri" meyer.)
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Bill Lundstrom
Bill Lundstrom
why?