France '08

originally posted by .sasha:
the place did not strike me as the coldest cellar either.
Are you talking about the street level floor or the one below? If you mean the one below, unless he was heating it, that may in essence be a comment about the insulation of the cellar; I've been in there under prior occupants when it was uncomfortably cold.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
a couple of days later I was blinded on his 04 Puligny in a restaurant.

Sorry to hear that. But moonshine is moonshine whether from Burgundy or Arkansas.

Drinker beware!
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Some, such as Nol Pinguet at Hut, decided that principles had to be sacrificed in the name of having a crop.
Hello,
Pinguet is one of the pionner of biodynamie in France. It's a Pinguet decision or a Hwang decision ? A vigneron decision or a financial decision ?
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
 
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Some, such as Nol Pinguet at Hut, decided that principles had to be sacrificed in the name of having a crop.
Hello,
Pinguet is one of the pionner of biodynamie in France. It's a Pinguet decision or a Hwang decision ? A vigneron decision or a financial decision ?
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
pab -- As I indicated, my information is second-hand, but from someone who is fairly close to Pinguet. My understanding, but I could be wrong as this question did not specifically come up in the conversation, is that Pinguet made the decision. He has always had a relaxed approach to biodynamie, as opposed, say, to Joly who is a true believer.
 
If what I heard was true, that the decision was a joint one with many of the best names in Vouvray and Montlouis, I presume it was winemakers.

But the assumption that financial decisions and winemaking decisions are utterly distinct seems amusing to me. Is not having a crop in a year a financial catastrophe or a winemaking catastrophe?
 
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
He has always had a relaxed approach to biodynamie, as opposed, say, to Joly who is a true believer.

A relaxed ?

Not a relaxed. Biodynamie is in the core business of this estate.
I think your English might not be up to fully understanding what I said. If one compares biodynamie to religion, there are fundamentalists and there are others who have a less literal approach while still adhering to the religion. From what I know, I would put Pinguet in the latter group.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
If what I heard was true, that the decision was a joint one with many of the best names in Vouvray and Montlouis, I presume it was winemakers.

But the assumption that financial decisions and winemaking decisions are utterly distinct seems amusing to me. Is not having a crop in a year a financial catastrophe or a winemaking catastrophe?

The problem is that you don't distinct financial and winemaking.
About the best names in Vouvray and Montlouis, what about Chidaine ?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
He has always had a relaxed approach to biodynamie, as opposed, say, to Joly who is a true believer.

A relaxed ?

Not a relaxed. Biodynamie is in the core business of this estate.
I think your English might not be up to fully understanding what I said. If one compares biodynamie to religion, there are fundamentalists and there are others who have a less literal approach while still adhering to the religion. From what I know, I would put Pinguet in the latter group.

You're absolutely right. Pinguet is not a fundamentalists. For him, Biodynamie is just the good way to produce the best quality wine. So, why did he used chemical ?
It's just a financial approach.
I will call tomorow the estate to know what's really happens and why.
 
On may 31 2008, A very big storm hited Vouvray (not Montlouis). They were so many water that it was impossible to go in the vines with a tractor.
Chidaine (the "starter") + Foreau + Pinguet (Huet) + others decided to rent an helicopter for a treatment. They used a non-organic treament.
So, Chidaine & Huet whose run organic vines will loose the certification (just in the vines they have treated). 3 or 4 days after, water was gone...
 
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