David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
Prematurely aged (from multiple bottles). I will not try to ascribe the cause.
And yes, Rosenthal.
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CWD: '98 Dom du Galet des Papes CndP vv
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Prematurely aged (from multiple bottles). I will not try to ascribe the cause.
And yes, Rosenthal.
originally posted by maureen:
Say it ain't so, Joeoriginally posted by SFJoe:
There, I said it. I have enjoyed my second Chateauneuf in as many weeks. I will find myself a figure of ridicule.
Am I the last holdout?
Nah, not the only one. But I have to admit I might open a '98 VT on turkey weekend given all this hub-bub and embrace of exotic varietals. I'll have a back-up Baudry or Breton ready in case the CdPness of the whole experience overwhelms me.
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
Just tried to do a confirmation run with my last bottle of the '98 Monpertuis Tradition...corked.
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by maureen:
Say it ain't so, Joeoriginally posted by SFJoe:
There, I said it. I have enjoyed my second Chateauneuf in as many weeks. I will find myself a figure of ridicule.
Am I the last holdout?
Nah, not the only one. But I have to admit I might open a '98 VT on turkey weekend given all this hub-bub and embrace of exotic varietals. I'll have a back-up Baudry or Breton ready in case the CdPness of the whole experience overwhelms me.
Ho! Well, that certainly suggests to me several options for a hypothetical jeebusito with you and the Monkey. (Bwahaha! Pheer da Grenache!)
Mark Lipton
Hello,
I drunk last year two bottles of Galet 1998. Both were brett and dry in finish (tartrique ?). About Clos des Papes, 1998 is one of the less interesting vintage in the decade : un-mature grappes ? very closed... (better than a 2002 of course). It's a pity in a so beautifull vintage & in a so beautifull estate.
pierre-alain benoit
I drunk last year two bottles of Galet 1998. Both were brett and dry in finish (tartrique ?). About Clos des Papes, 1998 is one of the less interesting vintage in the decade : un-mature grappes ? very closed... (better than a 2002 of course). It's a pity in a so beautifull vintage & in a so beautifull estate.
pierre-alain benoit
I'm with Mark: 89, 90, and 94, and I'd also add 86, 88, 93, 96, 97, 99, and some 00s. I've regretted every 95 I've opened (too young) and I've also found the few 98s I've had way too young.
I similarly have wondered about the 95s but have settled on believing that they will pay off a lot in 5-10 years.
I honestly don't quite get the anti CNP sentiment here other than it's Mr. P's favorite wine. They are comforting, warming, and just the thing on a cold rainy fall or winter's eve. Sure, vintages like 00 are loose, but try something like the 96 or 88 VT or Janasse VV and tell me it isn't complex or structured.
And cycling around to the opening post, I think very highly of the Galets des Papes VV - one of the most underrated CNPs. I have a 94 on deck in fact.
I similarly have wondered about the 95s but have settled on believing that they will pay off a lot in 5-10 years.
I honestly don't quite get the anti CNP sentiment here other than it's Mr. P's favorite wine. They are comforting, warming, and just the thing on a cold rainy fall or winter's eve. Sure, vintages like 00 are loose, but try something like the 96 or 88 VT or Janasse VV and tell me it isn't complex or structured.
And cycling around to the opening post, I think very highly of the Galets des Papes VV - one of the most underrated CNPs. I have a 94 on deck in fact.
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Being serious for a moment (barely), the only '98 I have had with aging issues is Montpertuis Cuvee Tradition. My bottles of Cailloux have all been fine.
Wow, that's a shocker! What was wrong? Was it a Rosenthal import?
Prematurely aged (from multiple bottles). I will not try to ascribe the cause.
And yes, Rosenthal.
Wow, that is a fucking bummer.
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Just tried to do a confirmation run with my last bottle of the '98 Monpertuis Tradition...corked.
Well, I think the evidence points to you. You have cursed this wine with your evil ways.
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by maureen:
Say it ain't so, Joeoriginally posted by SFJoe:
There, I said it. I have enjoyed my second Chateauneuf in as many weeks. I will find myself a figure of ridicule.
Am I the last holdout?
Nah, not the only one. But I have to admit I might open a '98 VT on turkey weekend given all this hub-bub and embrace of exotic varietals. I'll have a back-up Baudry or Breton ready in case the CdPness of the whole experience overwhelms me.
I don't face an evening without backup Baudry.
I had a 1995 V-T tonight that was wonderful.
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
I'm with Mark: 89, 90, and 94, and I'd also add 86, 88, 93, 96, 97, 99, and some 00s. I've regretted every 95 I've opened (too young) and I've also found the few 98s I've had way too young.
I similarly have wondered about the 95s but have settled on believing that they will pay off a lot in 5-10 years.
I honestly don't quite get the anti CNP sentiment here other than it's Mr. P's favorite wine. They are comforting, warming, and just the thing on a cold rainy fall or winter's eve. Sure, vintages like 00 are loose, but try something like the 96 or 88 VT or Janasse VV and tell me it isn't complex or structured.
And cycling around to the opening post, I think very highly of the Galets des Papes VV - one of the most underrated CNPs. I have a 94 on deck in fact.
No such thing as 1988 Janasse VV.
CNdP is fine, as a nice drop. It just isn't serious or great.
I like 1995 quite a bit as a vintage, because ti so unyielding. It may turn to nothing, but my guess is that it will be the 1988 Burgundy of CNdP.
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Just tried to do a confirmation run with my last bottle of the '98 Monpertuis Tradition...corked.
Well, I think the evidence points to you. You have cursed this wine with your evil ways.
Perhaps if I bow at the altar of Chinon all will turn out well.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by pab:
Hello,
I drunk last year two bottles of Galet 1998. Both were brett and dry in finish (tartrique ?). About Clos des Papes, 1998 is one of the less interesting vintage in the decade : un-mature grappes ? very closed... (better than a 2002 of course). It's a pity in a so beautifull vintage & in a so beautifull estate.
pierre-alain benoit
Parker doesn't like the 98 Close des Papes either. I've never understood this as it's always shown nicely for me. Not a big bruiser of a wine and more velvet glove than iron fist, but always a nice wine.
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No such thing as 1988 Janasse VV.
CNdP is fine, as a nice drop. It just isn't serious or great.
I like 1995 quite a bit as a vintage, because ti so unyielding. It may turn to nothing, but my guess is that it will be the 1988 Burgundy of CNdP.
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You literalist. Don't bother me with the details.
I absolutely agree with the 88 Burgundy assessment.
No such thing as 1988 Janasse VV.
CNdP is fine, as a nice drop. It just isn't serious or great.
I like 1995 quite a bit as a vintage, because ti so unyielding. It may turn to nothing, but my guess is that it will be the 1988 Burgundy of CNdP.
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You literalist. Don't bother me with the details.
I absolutely agree with the 88 Burgundy assessment.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Parker doesn't like the 98 Close des Papes either. I've never understood this as it's always shown nicely for me. Not a big bruiser of a wine and more velvet glove than iron fist, but always a nice wine.
For me, the 98 has always be closed, restrained and a little bit vegetal (not a desperate bootle but very middle of the road). I don't understand how they missed this vintage.
To test my assertion, I will make soon a dinner (dec. 12) with 3 vintages (98, 99 & 00) and two estates (Clos des Papes & Charvin).
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
pab, that was not our opinion in May.
Cockage dinner in NY
Cockage dinner in NY
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Parker doesn't like the 98 Close des Papes either. I've never understood this as it's always shown nicely for me. Not a big bruiser of a wine and more velvet glove than iron fist, but always a nice wine.
For me, the 98 has always be closed, restrained and a little bit vegetal (not a desperate bootle but very middle of the road). I don't understand how they missed this vintage.
To test my assertion, I will make soon a dinner (dec. 12) with 3 vintages (98, 99 & 00) and two estates (Clos des Papes & Charvin).
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
Sending it up against the 98 Charvin is liking making me swim the 500 metres against Michael Phelps. But it's still true that I can swim.
I'll be interested in the reactions to the 99s and the 00s. I've never had a 99 Clos des Papes that justified its reputation (though I'm wondering if that is the case I bought). Par contre, the 00 Charvin, while I think a great wine, was still somewhat serr last year.
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
I never really enjoyed the '99 Clos des Papes, which is odd, as I generally love '99 CNdP. The '00 Clos des Papes is delicious and, like most of its 2000 brethren, more open than other recent vintages.
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
I never really enjoyed the '99 Clos des Papes, which is odd, as I generally love '99 CNdP. The '00 Clos des Papes is delicious and, like most of its 2000 brethren, more open than other recent vintages.
I know what you mean. Someone recently served the 99 Clos des papes blind and I would have guessed a very good Cotes du Rhone, but no better. A bit of marring brett, too.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
I never really enjoyed the '99 Clos des Papes, which is odd, as I generally love '99 CNdP. The '00 Clos des Papes is delicious and, like most of its 2000 brethren, more open than other recent vintages.
I know what you mean. Someone recently served the 99 Clos des papes blind and I would have guessed a very good Cotes du Rhone, but no better. A bit of marring brett, too.
In a strange way, I'm happy to hear this. I was assuming I had some faulty bottling run. Since everyone but me knows the 99 is better than the 98 and since the 99 tastes like nothing special to me, I couldn't figure it out. I now realize that it's just that I'm in a small group of taste impaired people.