2008 Rollin Pernand Vergelesses Iles des Vergelesses

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Jay Miller

Jay Miller
Wow, one of the most charming, sleek, elegant 2008s I've had. Entrancing perfume, silken mouthfeel, lovely complexity. A lighter style of course. I just bought another bottle from K&L.

Of course if past experience is any guide it will shut down hard some time soon and not reopen for 15 years. Consistently my favorite, albeit most frustrating due to the long close period, bottling from Rollin.

Wish I could find the 2008 "Les Vergelesses", it doesn't shut down for as long.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
2008 Rollin Pernand Vergelesses Iles des VergelessesWow, one of the most charming, sleek, elegant 2008s I've had. Entrancing perfume, silken mouthfeel, lovely complexity. A lighter style of course. I just bought another bottle from K&L.
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you mean, another case?

the guy also made fabulous 07s

Of course if past experience is any guide it will shut down hard some time soon and not reopen for 15 years. Consistently my favorite, albeit most frustrating due to the long close period, bottling from Rollin.
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I don't think there is quite the density for talking to the hand for 15 years, despite apparent structure. I still think most 08s will come around at the rate of 98s, perhaps a couple of years behind schedule. But then they may drink well for a very long time, of course.

Wish I could find the 2008 "Les Vergelesses", it doesn't shut down for as long.
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oh, now you tell me !
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Of course if past experience is any guide it will shut down hard some time soon and not reopen for 15 years. Consistently my favorite, albeit most frustrating due to the long close period, bottling from Rollin.
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I don't think there is quite the density for talking to the hand for 15 years, despite apparent structure. I still think most 08s will come around at the rate of 98s, perhaps a couple of years behind schedule. But then they may drink well for a very long time, of course.
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Given that the '98 is shut down tight now I'm holding to my 15 year claim.
 
Manuel - do you still have all that Rollin you bought stored in the NYC cage?

Something to consider next time you're up here...
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by .sasha:
Of course if past experience is any guide it will shut down hard some time soon and not reopen for 15 years. Consistently my favorite, albeit most frustrating due to the long close period, bottling from Rollin.
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I don't think there is quite the density for talking to the hand for 15 years, despite apparent structure. I still think most 08s will come around at the rate of 98s, perhaps a couple of years behind schedule. But then they may drink well for a very long time, of course.
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Given that the '98 is shut down tight now I'm holding to my 15 year claim.
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I see your point. There are certainly exceptions in 98, but I had not realized this was one of them. Still, we may need to appeal to higher authority (Claude?) as to the quality of raw material in 08 vs 98, in the aloxe/pernand/savigny area.
 
originally posted by .sasha:

I see your point. There are certainly exceptions in 98, but I had not realized this was one of them. Still, we may need to appeal to higher authority (Claude?) as to the quality of raw material in 08 vs 98, in the aloxe/pernand/savigny area.
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Boy, not an easy comparison to make. August in 1998 was hot and dry, maybe too much so, but not in 2008. Both vintages had problems with the health of the grapes, but by 2008, viticultural and sorting practices were far beyond what had existed in 1998, so it was better for most; but some estates lost a large part of the 2008 crop because of problems in the vineyard.

Bottom line: the two vintages may take parallel tracks, but if they do, I'd say it's more coincidence than anything else. (We're talking reds; 1998 is mostly dreary for whites, while 2008 is superb.)
 
originally posted by .sasha:

I see your point. There are certainly exceptions in 98, but I had not realized this was one of them. Still, we may need to appeal to higher authority (Claude?) as to the quality of raw material in 08 vs 98, in the aloxe/pernand/savigny area.
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Given that I opened one for you at Chelsea and you brought it home and told me it didn't budge over the course of the next day I would have thought that you might have :)

However the '98 "Les Vergelesses" is very nice though certainly not approaching any sort of decline.

Anyway, a glass of the '08 on day 2 is still very nice indeed.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by .sasha:

I see your point. There are certainly exceptions in 98, but I had not realized this was one of them. Still, we may need to appeal to higher authority (Claude?) as to the quality of raw material in 08 vs 98, in the aloxe/pernand/savigny area.
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Given that I opened one for you at Chelsea and you brought it home and told me it didn't budge over the course of the next day I would have thought that you might have :)

However the '98 "Les Vergelesses" is very nice though certainly not approaching any sort of decline.

Anyway, a glass of the '08 on day 2 is still very nice indeed.
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you are absolutely correct - for some reason I thought that bottle was the 1993
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

Given that the '98 is shut down tight now I'm holding to my 15 year claim.
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Most 98s are shut down now.
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Maureen, is this a cyclical phenomenon that you are observing, or is it down to the producers that you collect and/or taste?
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

Given that the '98 is shut down tight now I'm holding to my 15 year claim.
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Most 98s are shut down now.
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Maureen, is this a cyclical phenomenon that you are observing, or is it down to the producers that you collect and/or taste?
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Since I have to answer my own questions on this board, now that fatboy is on a diet -- 98 charmes and griotte from drouhin are very much arguing for the cyclical version of the story. The griotte in particular had been showing beautifully for years, but this appears to no longer be the case.
 
Sigh, we all had some good years drinking '98s.

Hopefully it won't be too many years before their eccentric orbit brings them back to drinkability again.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

Given that the '98 is shut down tight now I'm holding to my 15 year claim.
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Most 98s are shut down now.
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Maureen, is this a cyclical phenomenon that you are observing, or is it down to the producers that you collect and/or taste?
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[...] now that fatboy is on a diet [...]
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That's a mildly disturbing thought, but best of luck to him. When I started working to lose weight a few years ago, my doctor told me sustained weight loss was harder than undoing a heroin addiction.

I wonder what the metrics for this comparison would be.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

That's a mildly disturbing thought, but best of luck to him. When I started working to lose weight a few years ago, my doctor told me sustained weight loss was harder than undoing a heroin addiction.

I wonder what the metrics for this comparison would be.
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Ian, that comparison is most likely true, but not as dramatic as you might think. A drug counselor of my acquaintance once opined that it was harder to kick nicotine than heroin (the withdrawal symptoms of which he likened to a bad cold), but that so many junkies were in such bad shape that it magnified the effects of withdrawal. Take from that what you may: I have never been motivated to empirically test the proposition.

Mark Lipton
 
Not sure. The latest I heard he wasn't just fat, but now obese. Could be he misses the vigour, the rigour of the Wine Disorder Board.
 
fatboy was an elitist. the feelings of the newbs, lurkers and wine waiters need to be protected. the politburo were right to purge him.

i have never tasted rollin's wines, but if i had, i would have noticed that the 83s, 88s and the 95s, 96s closed down for long periods, but otherwise, i would have guessed it was cyclical, as .sasha notes.

would you guess that the phenomenon is more widespread?

and where is the marcassin chat on this board?

r slicker
 
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