some notes from New York

Desvignes, really?

I don't think of them being that way at all.

Certainly the wines are not cheerful in their youth.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
His Obesity can't drink it, for instance.

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I suspect different alleles.
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I should be more clear that this is a peculiarity of Roilette against other Fleurie for him, not a prejudice against Beaujolais. So there is something distinctive about that wine that I'm afraid I don't experience the same way as some.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I should be more clear that this is a peculiarity of Roilette against other Fleurie for him, not a prejudice against Beaujolais.
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I took it that way.

Of course, his vineyards are only recently "Fleurie"....
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Thanks, Cliff. The list does raise some questions: are the reserves handled the same as the normales?
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That, I don't know.

On Desvignes, Joe, I'm going on one of your reports. I was surprised to hear it as well.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Thanks, Cliff. The list does raise some questions: are the reserves handled the same as the normales?
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That, I don't know.

On Desvignes, Joe, I'm going on one of your reports. I was surprised to hear it as well.
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Can't believe everything you read on the interwebz.

I'm not sure of the exact borders between methods, but clearly the Desvignes vinification is very different from what Lapierre is doing. Much more extraction, more structure, less fruitiness, and so on. I had a notion they crushed some of their incoming grapes.

But maybe someone better informed could weigh in.
 
No doubt semi-carbonic encompasses a range of practices, and those wines are all different from one another, all the while maintaining a certain family resemblance, I think. The Burgaud's I've had, on the other hand, don't seem to share that family kinship. But N is very small in my case, so it's the usual reckless speculation.
 
Has anyone seen the Desvignes 2010 VV? Chambers had 1 bottle listed on their webstie for a few months but they didn't really have it.

I really liked it at the big LDM tasting so I've been trying to keep my eyes out but wonder if I've missed it.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I'm an idiot. I typed Desvignes when I meant Descombes.

My bad, the Descombes Morgon VV.
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CSW had the 2010 VV at some point this summer.

I had a few bottles and they were delicious, although a bit awkward until the end of the bottle when they had gotten a lot of air. However, I was fully confident they would be much better with a little bit of age although never got around to buying more.

On the other hand, I've had a string of funky Foillard '10s recently after some glorious bottles earlier in the spring.
 
2009 Rhys Pinot Noir Skyline Vineyard

This was nice and approachable, but I confess I wasn't moved. Vintage surely has something to do with it; I was hoping for something approachable, to see what the fuss is about. The weight and texture really are lovely, but I couldn't see much mineral depth at this stage.
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I don't find minerality in these wines either, but do like their aromatics and weight. How do you feel about their syrahs?
 
originally posted by MarkS:
2009 Rhys Pinot Noir Skyline Vineyard

This was nice and approachable, but I confess I wasn't moved. Vintage surely has something to do with it; I was hoping for something approachable, to see what the fuss is about. The weight and texture really are lovely, but I couldn't see much mineral depth at this stage.
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I don't find minerality in these wines either, but do like their aromatics and weight. How do you feel about their syrahs?
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I have only had one Syrah. It seemed very impressive, but it was hard to tell behind the cork taint. I look forward to trying another, though with prices running in the neighborhood of 2 times more than Gonon, I find it hard to justify.
 
The La Dominique was a beauty, though much further advanced than a bottle last year. But at least it wasn't corked like the one I opened in the Spring.
 
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