But maybe Steve Cuozzo is more representative than you think...

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
Changes to the wine list at Dovetail: many additions of useless, expensive, ridiculous (, Rudylicious?) bottles to an otherwise suave, hip list. Why? Hint... it wasn't the wine director's idea.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Lafite 1928, for example. Really? Like anyone is going to buy a bottle of that now?

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

Having wines on the list to appeal to the moneyed crowd doesn't bother me so long as they didn't tkae the other wines off the list.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.
No doubt, no doubt. Wall Street bonuses recovered within a year. Bankers and brokers take care of themselves first, then their customers. We know.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.
He and his friends never read anything by Don Cornwell, I guess.
 
Maybe it's their best exit strategy, you sell the wine and it's consumed then. If you sell it at auction, you're open to be sued later.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton
 
My guess is that one of the "investors" consigned part of his cellar. According to NY State Law one cannot legally consign wine to a restaurant unless they are an owner. Restaurants get around this by making consigners small owners. Usually it is a win-win the restaurant gets a very nice winelist and the consigner gets free storage and usually get a percentage that is higher than the going auction amount.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

I overstate, but only slightly.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

I overstate, but only slightly.

Sounds good to me.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

I overstate, but only slightly.

Sounds good to me.
Ah, but only at first glance. The list leans heavily toward the prestige cuvees. You might not find as much to drink as you'd think. Bois de Boursan is represented entirely by Felix, that sort of thing. So, expensive but not as good.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

I overstate, but only slightly.

Sounds good to me.
Ah, but only at first glance. The list leans heavily toward the prestige cuvees. You might not find as much to drink as you'd think. Bois de Boursan is represented entirely by Felix, that sort of thing. So, expensive but not as good.

I thought you said it was Chateauneuf. Cuvee Felix and the like doesn't count.
 
It's been three or so years, but I remember going to Veritas with my Pahlmyer rep, the winemaker for Pahlmeyer and a sr. exec at Kistler and ordering a '90 Olga Raffault and '01 Beaucastel for them. That was fun.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

I thought that was what Veritas was for?

Mark Lipton

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

I overstate, but only slightly.

And do they now serve only roast lamb all the time at the big V?

Mark Lipton

(Damn, hyperbole is fun!)
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

Since Steve Verlin died and Park Smith is the main man, it is all Chateauneuf, all the time at the big V.

too bad. their selection of pinot noirs was always stimulating. indeed, it stoked my love of bandol.

r slicker
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Lafite 1928, for example. Really? Like anyone is going to buy a bottle of that now?

There are still lots of people with lots of money. That investor for example.

Maybe he just wants something he and his friends can order when he goes to the restaurant.

Having wines on the list to appeal to the moneyed crowd doesn't bother me so long as they didn't tkae the other wines off the list.

Couldn't agree more. Thought it was a decent wine list when we ate there last year. Hey if they can get big bucks for some wines some of us would prefer not to drink Godspeed!
 
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