94 Lenoir Chinon Les Roches

Cramant is on a hill and Beaumont is in a valley. I am not a terroiriste, I couldn't care less, but I have had a lot of bottles from both, and I love how the differences are clear. Lenoir's wines are Beaumont wines, which are completely of their place; wines from Baudry, Lambert, Alliet are really different in character (on that hill in Cravant). People often point out Picasses as the ripe wine of the upstream side, which is not false.

Did you not know that I am a wine drinker (and anthropologist) and not a wine critic?
 
Sites can be different without one automatically being better than another. Everything is not hierarchy.

(But Brézé is pretty great.)
 
And how come someplace called "Beaumont" is in the valley?

Is this like "Mountain View" in California, where you have a view of the mountains from the filled-in estuaries by the bay?
 
While not a steep slope, Lenoir's parcel in beaumont is not exactly what i would call a "valley", unless you call "les Picasses" a valley, as it is the exact same slope, just 500 meters east.

Now, being a noob and all, i do have a hard time differentiating these terroirs (Lenoir's/baudry, lambert etc...) as the style is so very different (elevage mostly, yes)
 
Les Picasses straddles a low rolling ridge line running east-west that tops out at about 60m. It's about 1km north (and about .5 km east) of Beaumont en Veron centre, whose immediate surroundings are at about 35-45m.

What I took away from a couple of visits to Chinon earlier this year was that Domain Les Roches are in a league of their own these days.
 
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
While not a steep slope, Lenoir's parcel in beaumont is not exactly what i would call a "valley", unless you call "les Picasses" a valley, as it is the exact same slope, just 500 meters east.

Now, being a noob and all, i do have a hard time differentiating these terroirs (Lenoir's/baudry, lambert etc...) as the style is so very different (elevage mostly, yes)
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Elevage does make direct comparisons difficult. I'll have to check out Lenoir the next time I'm in France.

I said nice things about them. Your mom says hi, she can't talk because of the ball-gag.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Sites can be different without one automatically being better than another. Everything is not hierarchy.

(But Brézé is pretty great.)
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Well not automatically, but everything is most definitely a hierarchy. The only issue is measurement precision.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Sites can be different without one automatically being better than another. Everything is not hierarchy.

(But Brézé is pretty great.)
Click to expand...

Well not automatically, but everything is most definitely a hierarchy. The only issue is measurement precision.
Click to expand...
Measurement precision and how many axes you have for separate hierarchies.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Sites can be different without one automatically being better than another. Everything is not hierarchy.

(But Brézé is pretty great.)
Click to expand...

Well not automatically, but everything is most definitely a hierarchy. The only issue is measurement precision.
Click to expand...
Measurement precision and how many axes you have for separate hierarchies.
Click to expand...

I live for multivariate statistics.

My first adviser wrote the book, literally, on multidimensional scaling.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
While not a steep slope, Lenoir's parcel in beaumont is not exactly what i would call a "valley", unless you call "les Picasses" a valley, as it is the exact same slope, just 500 meters east.

Now, being a noob and all, i do have a hard time differentiating these terroirs (Lenoir's/baudry, lambert etc...) as the style is so very different (elevage mostly, yes)
Click to expand...

Elevage does make direct comparisons difficult. I'll have to check out Lenoir the next time I'm in France.

I said nice things about them. Your mom says hi, she can't talk because of the ball-gag.
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la salope
 
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