NWR - Table Verte

I think some of you are underestimating the possibilities of vegetarian cuisine in the hands of a skilled chef - Dan Barber, Pascal Barbot, Jeremey Fox (formerly of Ubuntu) David Kinch to name just a few.

Not to say that this place has that type of food it is much more simple but also delicious.

I am going to L'Arpege in a couple of weeks. What is the winelist like?
 
originally posted by Robert Dentice:
I think some of you are underestimating the possibilities of vegetarian cuisine in the hands of a skilled chef - Dan Barber, Pascal Barbot, Jeremey Fox (formerly of Ubuntu) David Kinch to name just a few.

Not to say that this place has that type of food it is much more simple but also delicious.

I hear you. But I think the hurdle is mental, not gustatory. If I were at a restaurant with a mix of dishes with meat or no meat, I would choose freely.

Truth be told, I often wend toward pasta dishes or other non-meat dishes. If there was a tracker on me, I would be outed as someone who orders such dishes fairly frequently, just out of pleasure.

But the absolutism of there-is-no-meat-anywhere makes me bristle.
 
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

I am going to L'Arpege in a couple of weeks. What is the winelist like?

Expensive, sadly. My personal theory for why the meat dishes at l'Arpege are so disappointing is that the sourcing is simply not on the same level as that for the vegetables, fish (okay, I've had bad fish there, but not as often) and dairy (I heard rumours he no longer buys from Antony).

I cook quasi-vegetarian a lot for the same reason - it's harder to source for really good meat in Singapore (at a sensible price), whereas I can get really good vegetables from the local farmers and some foragers.
 
originally posted by Yixin:

I cook quasi-vegetarian a lot for the same reason - it's harder to source for really good meat in Singapore (at a sensible price), whereas I can get really good vegetables from the local farmers and some foragers.

Yixin,
What about the Halal butchers that must be found somwhere in S'pore? My experience with the local variety here in flyover country is that they very carefully source their meats, which are typically of quite high quality. That might have something to do with their location here in Carnivore Central... I haven't done the control experiments.

Mark Lipton
 
Expensive, yes. Surprisingly short for a three-star (a lot of pages, widely-spaced entries on them). Very short of anything mature or mature-ish, at any price. A few natural wines, as if they'd dabbled for a while, but otherwise few surprises, other than what's missing. I really struggled to find a white I wanted to drink below 150 euros or so (there were some I might have chosen had I not had them over the last few weeks, much more cheaply, in other venues; Mosse comes to mind), and the first one I ordered (Hauvette) was out; the replacement, suggested by the sommelier, wasn't a very good wine and was also pretty terrible with the food. The red side is better, and I drank better there (2000 Pibarnon), but by then I'd started losing enthusiasm for the food. A lot of magnums, a very wan selection of halves. BTG options were decent.

FWIW, on the tasting menu I had (ten courses, plus one addition), of the eight pre-dessert courses three were vegetarian (including the egg), though one was only non-vegetarian due to a speck whipped cream atop a velouté. The best were a very simple plate of mixed plants, all cooked differently yet perfectly, and a vegetable consommé with vaguely Asian-style dumplings (filled with root vegetables in this case), and in fact those were my favorite courses of the night. There was also homard de Chausey (which they did well), turbot (served in an incredibly lame and gloppy vin jaune cream sauce, which was boring as all hell and which completely obliterated the fish), and chunks of poularde with chunks of vegetables and chunks of fruit -- repetition deliberate -- in which everything was cooked beautifully and served unadorned as a plate of, well, chunks of stuff. Which would have been fine, and I don't really have a complaint about the dish itself, except that the same dish on the carte was described as pigeon and I was looking forward to that. Well, I also suppose I have a slight problem with that dish coming from a three star kitchen at three star prices, but that's a separate category of complaint.

The vegetable cookery was brilliant, as mentioned, and the quality seemed superlative (you will want to like beets, though, which show up in three dishes, and turnips in three as well). I wouldn't say inspired, though; basically knife work, heat, and things any good first-year French culinary student might know and try, no more...so it's a very naked sort of cooking, and there's proportionally less margin for error, of which there were (in my opinion) several. The dessert, also as mentioned, was tragic. Cheese was beautiful, but that's just good shopping. Flesh was a mixed bag. And I hate to say it, but the egg at Manresa is better, or at least I liked it more.

Service was a little more casual/friendly than one might expect, which worked well for me actually. Mr. Passard was friends with the folks at the next table and spent about 45 minutes all told at their side, but worked the room with a smile and seemed like a lovely man. He finished the night plowing through a few plates and some wine in the corner, alone. The decor is minimalist, as probably befits the food, but not rising to the level of notice. The "parting gift" is very amusing, but if you're traveling with checked luggage it won't do you much good.

Robert, I hope your meal works out a little better for you than mine did for me. I believe one Disorderly is there tonight, though, and maybe he'll have a better report.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
I remember him well
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Mike Evans:
"doux"?

Homophone fun aside, I remember conversations with Stuart Yaniger, who defies pretty much every vegetarian stereotype imaginable, about great vegetarian meals he had in France, so the concept seems plausible enough.

Only to the extent that Yaniger is plausible.

I've had great vegetarian meals at his house. Craziness.
Now that's a name from the past. I remember his first wife who would wolf down a large piece of bloody meat accompanied by a large Pepsi while Stuart choked.
They did divorce.

Lou, second wife.

Yes, I had some great meals at both Stuart's and JD's homes. JD would oftren sneak in a meat dish when it was at his house. It was a nice arrangement. I'd bring German Riesling and they would open reds, invariably including some great northern Rhone(s).

I miss 49er Sundays with The Stupids, but my liver will probably remain functional for a good deal longer than if those events were still happening.
 
Larry, I thought Linda was Stuart's second wife, but it has been so long that I couldn't remember if that was correct.

In its original incarnation, Bacchanalia in Atlanta did a vegetarian tasting menu that always looked great, and according to Stuart when we went during a trip he made to town, it was as good as it sounded. I almost ordered the vegetable menu at Charlie Trotter's during my lone visit there (though I seem to recall that it wasn't strictly vegetarian), and they ended up serving me several dishes from it in addition to the normal tasting menu, and they were all delicious, one of which was probably the best dish I tried during an excellent meal. I'm too much a carnivore to choose to go to a vegetarian fine dining restaurant, but these experiences persuaded me that it is possible one could exist that I would enjoy if someone else insisted on the venue.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

I am going to L'Arpege in a couple of weeks. What is the winelist like?

Expensive, sadly. My personal theory for why the meat dishes at l'Arpege are so disappointing is that the sourcing is simply not on the same level as that for the vegetables, fish (okay, I've had bad fish there, but not as often) and dairy (I heard rumours he no longer buys from Antony).

I cook quasi-vegetarian a lot for the same reason - it's harder to source for really good meat in Singapore (at a sensible price), whereas I can get really good vegetables from the local farmers and some foragers.

In recent times, his lamb has been superb (with an oyster emulsion). And his fowl has always been at the very summit of what one can get in Paris. I am not a foie gras lover, but his grilled foie gras is truly amazing. Back in the old days,he would do a rack of veal that he cooked at a very low heat (100C iirc) for almost 5 hours. That was consistently the best veal I've ever had.
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
L'Arpege is famous for a tomato, right?

I thought that they were famous for the Infamous Egg.

Mark Lipton

The soft-boiled (actually poached and then returned to the shell) egg amuse with maple syrup, or sometimes old sherry vinegar, the couscous "arlequin" with carrots, rutabega and other veggies and argan oil; the beet baked in salt and drizzled with very old balsamico, the little ravioli of fig and onion in a veggie consume, the crazy amazing white onion-Parmesan gratinee with Sarawak black pepper, and black truffles in wintertime (unnecessary in my opinion), and yes for dessert, if you don't want the millefuille, the confit tomato with 12 favors and vanilla ice cream -- all great. But also, the "taglitelle" of celeriac, the tomato gazpacho with Orleans mustard ice cream, white peaches, almonds and harricots verts, the peas with basil sorbet.... The list goes on.

note to the pb: we need a "like" button. for things like this. they have these buttons in other places, and they work well for keeping the masses quiet by creating the illusion of heard voices.

so, as the great philosopher baloo would say, get with the beat comrades.

i mean, jeezuz, even "strat's place" has that shit. you wanna see who is laughing at the end of the next 5 year plan?

rs.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Mike, you're correct. Lou was not.
I'm trying to remember if I ever met Stuart's first wife. I believe he's married for the third time now. Any thing like that more than twice is a major case of arrested development. Yeah! Stuart made things interesting in more than one way. His arguements with Hoke were classic, Stuart the conservative but Hoke the liberal always could get Stuart to scream read a so & so book, and Hoke would exclaim you lose Stuart if you can't esplain your own premise in plain English! Stuart was not a mean conservative.
We did have a great many fun Jeebi at Spedieni's with Stuart as grand poo-ba in charge.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

I am going to L'Arpege in a couple of weeks. What is the winelist like?

Expensive, sadly. My personal theory for why the meat dishes at l'Arpege are so disappointing is that the sourcing is simply not on the same level as that for the vegetables, fish (okay, I've had bad fish there, but not as often) and dairy (I heard rumours he no longer buys from Antony).

I cook quasi-vegetarian a lot for the same reason - it's harder to source for really good meat in Singapore (at a sensible price), whereas I can get really good vegetables from the local farmers and some foragers.

We had a very nice 2005 Collier Saumur yesterday and they have some reasonably priced Jacky Blot wines. But Spring wins hands down when it comes to wine lists.

On the other hand the beet root sushi is one of the best things I've eaten in my life. For the first half of the meal I thought it was going to be one stroke of genius after another but things settled down after a while. I agree that the millefeuille is a bit ordinary.
 
Yes, that beet sushi was quite something. As was the beet "merguez."

Nice to see you over pork and marrow, Jay.
 
Went to La Table Vert. Wanted to love it. Sadly not. A little depressing. Vanilla in the beets, never my thing. Was a little surprised that they had no bread, crackers. Soup, (hmm...what was it? Can't remember. Pleasant enough). Needed some sophistication. The root salad had things on it that were not roots. Like most on the root salad were not roots. But they are BYOB! Maybe I'll give it another shot because I do want them to succeed.
 
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