originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is His Girth really BMI-notable, or is that lore simply misdirection?
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by georg lauer:
Did you try any Silvaner from the foothills of the jurassic mountains south of Stuttgart? They to me are even more reminiscent of a good Muscadet.
is that what's planted right along the roads as you drive into Stuttgart from the south? Quite a sight.
originally posted by .sasha: I figured the esteemed gentlemen who were kind enough to comment last night knew something about traditionally accepted regional wine references which I did not.
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by .sasha: I figured the esteemed gentlemen who were kind enough to comment last night knew something about traditionally accepted regional wine references which I did not.
Well for my part I had never heard of Beurer prior to your post. My experience of Baden riesling is also pretty limited, mainly formed by Schloss Neuweier and Andreas Laible on the top end and a few (forgettable) pedestrian labels served at various family meals.
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by .sasha:
We are speaking of the best Baden rieslings here, I am sure. As to what percentage of the lot that constitutes, I've no idea, but that bit may be similar to Muscadet.
Did you try any Silvaner from the foothills of the jurassic mountains south of Stuttgart? They to me are even more reminiscent of a good Muscadet.
originally posted by georg lauer:
Beurer should really be much more famous since his wines are not only extremely good but also extremely distinctive. But he is now in the VDP which might bring him more attention.
originally posted by georg lauer:
The situation in Wuerttemberg is different from Baden in that Riesling plays a much bigger role. It is similar in that only a few of these really live up to the potential of the region. But a lot has changed/is changing and Wuerttemberg now deserves much more attention than it gets. Even in Germany the wines are mostly ignored outside the state.
originally posted by richard slicker: i'm not sure that even the name of the state is that helpful. i tend to think of them as "swabian," and try to put the clusterfucks to the north and west out of my mind.
originally posted by richard slicker:
true dat. though given that most of the wine-- and riesling -- in württemberg is grown on teh keuper north of stuttgart, and teh hooches .sasha is describing are all from the very different jurassic soils that start at the swabian border, i'm not sure that even the name of the state is that helpful. i tend to think of them as "swabian," and try to put the clusterfucks to the north and west out of my mind.
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originally posted by richard slicker:
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by .sasha:
We are speaking of the best Baden rieslings here, I am sure. As to what percentage of the lot that constitutes, I've no idea, but that bit may be similar to Muscadet.
Did you try any Silvaner from the foothills of the jurassic mountains south of Stuttgart? They to me are even more reminiscent of a good Muscadet.
note to .sasha. nice notes!
i think our friend means the silvaners from our favorite science teacher near neuffen, the 12s from whom are insane. along with the weißburgunder, the riesling and the rest. so i hope that the fucker that stole the bottles of weißer jura from my suitcase at jfk chokes on his.
much as i love the wines, however, they do not remind me in anyway of teh famous mourvedres from muscadet, or even rieslings from pauillac. the geography of some of the inmates puts me in mind of a lyle fass mailer.
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originally posted by richard slicker:
as for baden and württemberg, they are apples and oranges, really. the only similarity is that teh locals, for the most part, get their panties moist over the the most god awful spoofy dreck, and that vdp on a bottle is normally a guarantee of cellar habits that would make michel rolland purr.
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originally posted by georg lauer:
if only how quickly they go down the throat.
originally posted by richard slicker:
originally posted by georg lauer:
if only how quickly they go down the throat.
quote from saturday night (about the one bottle of weißer jura silvaner 12 to make it through): "i could drink my own body weight in this. in about 15 mins."
get some of his creme de cassis too. legendary stuff.
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originally posted by georg lauer:
The wines from the valley used to be ( and mostly still are) godawful.
originally posted by georg lauer:
Well, this is more correlation than causation. It is just that for expensive reds (and white pinots) there is a general tendency and expectation by the customers for a ton of wood. And the producers that can ask these prices are enriched in the VDP. But even there the attitudes slowly change. It is the typical development of a wine region that catches up in a certain area. The Germans tried hard to show that they can make "serious" red wines. Now they slowly realize that good wine is not measured in how woody it tastes. I think we will see better stuff emerge within and without of VDP.
originally posted by .sasha:
just how localized is this, i.e. wine making in the swabian jurassic ?
Holy F! I didn't realize that there were red auction wines. Suffice it to say that no one I've visited has ever bothered/dared to show me one (assuming that they made any) -- even though a handful of the producers I've visited do in fact produce Spätburgunders that would in fact be worthy of auction.originally posted by .sasha:
It's been a couple of years, but I have sat through the reds at the Bad Kreuznach auction on more than one occasion. You would not believe the horrors.
originally posted by richard slicker:
german wine is a clusterfuck of stupid organizations, retarded lists and horrible taste. of course the reverence for reputation and the fact that people don't seem to care how shit a wine is if the word "doktor" appears on the bottle somewhere doesn't preclude good hooch being made, but i'm struggling to think of a more unrewarding place to be a good grower.
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