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originally posted by .sasha:
It's been a couple of years, but I have sat through the reds at the Bad Kreuznach auction on more than one occasion. You would not believe the horrors.

the terrifying thing is that i would.

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originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by .sasha:
It's been a couple of years, but I have sat through the reds at the Bad Kreuznach auction on more than one occasion. You would not believe the horrors.
Holy F! I didn't realize that there were red auction wines. Suffice it to say that no one I've visited has ever bothered/dared to show me one (assuming that they made any) -- even though a handful of the producers I've visited do in fact produce Spätburgunders that would in fact be worthy of auction.

I did get poured Spätburgunder in a number of places, but I pretty much had to sign an NDA in some. Family reserve, I guess.

Claude, I will try to dig up an old auction booklet (although this may have to wait till summer, they are probably on the bottom of some box), and tell you exactly what was poured at these events.

No such problems at KP Keller this year, the pinot noirs were gorgeous. At 30% of the price, I would even stock up.
 
.sasha -- K.-P. Keller's certainly up there in the very top-top tier of Spätburgunder producers (and it may be that they are auction wines because their quantities are so small -- in which case, I have had some auction reds).

Also keep in mind that there has been a big shift in recent years away from the over-extracted/over-oaked wines of the past (some producers never were there, others still are there, but many have, happily, made the progression). Although I follow the other red wine grapes in Germany much less, of the handful of producers whose wines of those types that I do see regularly, there has been a similar progression.

Some of the producers I visit do make Spätburgunder that they normally wouldn't show me, but they will show them if I request; the producers are rather embarrassed, saying that they produce the wine only because the domestic market expects them to do so. Some of those wines are quite decent.
 
Opened a bottle of 2009 Beurer Schilfsandstein tonight. Instant regret that we poured that at our housewarming party a few weeks ago. Shows the vintage through a bit more (yellow) fruit than the 2008 or 2010, but other than that just the typical onslaught of minerality and refreshing acidity. In a really nice spot right now, but no signs that one should rush to drink them up anytime soon. Goes down like water from a glacial spring on this hot summer night. And stays interesting sip after sip. My wine for the island.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
One of these days or weeks: a visit to Andi Knauss and some random Holger Koch bottles.

I never got a chance to write up Andi's wines, did I?

Anyway, I shall regrettably be out of town this week, but if you know what's good for you, the lot of you oaky chardonnay drinking n00bs will go to Chambers on Wednesday in my stead, and you will drink Andi's wines, and you will like Andi's wines, or the closest you will ever come to .sasha's secret wine list is Kane's prose. See if he's got any Lemberger under the table.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
Opened a bottle of 2009 Beurer Schilfsandstein tonight. Instant regret that we poured that at our housewarming party a few weeks ago. Shows the vintage through a bit more (yellow) fruit than the 2008 or 2010, but other than that just the typical onslaught of minerality and refreshing acidity.

i think it's more an optical thing than anything else. pouring (ahem) the 09 and 10 out of mag a few weeks ago, i noticed the very different colours ahead of time, and thought it would be amusing to see if i got the same results truly blind, before tasting either.

fwiw, for me, no so much. -- the colour of the 09 may be deeper, as is teh froot. but i was amazed at the lack of heat or focus in the 09.

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originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by .sasha:
One of these days or weeks: a visit to Andi Knauss and some random Holger Koch bottles.

I never got a chance to write up Andi's wines, did I?

Anyway, I shall regrettably be out of town this week, but if you know what's good for you, the lot of you oaky chardonnay drinking n00bs will go to Chambers on Wednesday in my stead, and you will drink Andi's wines, and you will like Andi's wines, or the closest you will ever come to .sasha's secret wine list is Kane's prose. See if he's got any Lemberger under the table.

The Knauss Trollinger is a fun wine. So easy to drink.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by .sasha:
One of these days or weeks: a visit to Andi Knauss and some random Holger Koch bottles.

I never got a chance to write up Andi's wines, did I?

Anyway, I shall regrettably be out of town this week, but if you know what's good for you, the lot of you oaky chardonnay drinking n00bs will go to Chambers on Wednesday in my stead, and you will drink Andi's wines, and you will like Andi's wines, or the closest you will ever come to .sasha's secret wine list is Kane's prose. See if he's got any Lemberger under the table.

The Knauss Trollinger is a fun wine. So easy to drink.

That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by .sasha:
One of these days or weeks: a visit to Andi Knauss and some random Holger Koch bottles.

I never got a chance to write up Andi's wines, did I?

Anyway, I shall regrettably be out of town this week, but if you know what's good for you, the lot of you oaky chardonnay drinking n00bs will go to Chambers on Wednesday in my stead, and you will drink Andi's wines, and you will like Andi's wines, or the closest you will ever come to .sasha's secret wine list is Kane's prose. See if he's got any Lemberger under the table.

The Knauss Trollinger is a fun wine. So easy to drink.

That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Lemberger!
(is that related to Blaufränkisch?)
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by georg lauer:
That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Lemberger!
(is that related to Blaufränkisch?)

Well, the Lembergers were a more difficult story. 2010 S and 2009 R was what I had already brought back with me, and the 2010 had that super intense berry note that somehow came out in that vintage and 2009 had seen some oak that was still a bit dominant. With the more recent vintages I think it will be a different thing.
 
2010 s is weird -- unlike the 11, which has always been up front and cuddly; the 09 r is a little over elevaged for my taste.

you need to lose the necrophilia and get with the beat: you fail to love the 12 g, you fail life.

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originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by georg lauer:
That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Lemberger!
(is that related to Blaufränkisch?)

Well, the Lembergers were a more difficult story. 2010 S and 2009 R was what I had already brought back with me, and the 2010 had that super intense berry note that somehow came out in that vintage and 2009 had seen some oak that was still a bit dominant. With the more recent vintages I think it will be a different thing.

The 12s were balanced in March. Or so I tell myself. Has the regimen changed? Here the G was 70% from 2000L fuder, R was from barrel, not sure about S.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
2010 s is weird -- unlike the 11, which has always been up front and cuddly; the 09 r is a little over elevaged for my taste.

that describes exactly what we felt

originally posted by fatboy:

you need to lose the necrophilia and get with the beat: you fail to love the 12 g, you fail life.

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yes yes
but they are still sitting in my sister's basement. will pick some up later this month during my visit home.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by georg lauer:
That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Lemberger!
(is that related to Blaufränkisch?)

Well, the Lembergers were a more difficult story. 2010 S and 2009 R was what I had already brought back with me, and the 2010 had that super intense berry note that somehow came out in that vintage and 2009 had seen some oak that was still a bit dominant. With the more recent vintages I think it will be a different thing.

The 12s were balanced in March. Or so I tell myself. Has the regimen changed? Here the G was 70% from 2000L fuder, R was from barrel, not sure about S.

The 12s are super. 2010 was just a weird vintage for that wine. And the R regimen has changed quite a bit as far as I understand. Pretty much no new wood anymore and much more fun to drink.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by .sasha:
One of these days or weeks: a visit to Andi Knauss and some random Holger Koch bottles.

I never got a chance to write up Andi's wines, did I?

Anyway, I shall regrettably be out of town this week, but if you know what's good for you, the lot of you oaky chardonnay drinking n00bs will go to Chambers on Wednesday in my stead, and you will drink Andi's wines, and you will like Andi's wines, or the closest you will ever come to .sasha's secret wine list is Kane's prose. See if he's got any Lemberger under the table.

The Knauss Trollinger is a fun wine. So easy to drink.

That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Hofgut Falkenstein Spatburgunder has been a crowd pleaser recently.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by georg lauer:

That is so true. But it is also so unique. And of all the German red wines I have been forcing on my friends recently this was the only one that absolutely everybody loved (most others no easy sell).

Hofgut Falkenstein Spatburgunder has been a crowd pleaser recently.

still can't compete with a nice french wine from somewhere like sancerre or bandol.

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originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Never had a Sancerre rouge that wowed me. Except maybe old Vatan Pinot.
Try Fournier or S. Laloue. Maybe not wow but good.

love me a french wine with a nice big steak.

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