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Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
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Through circumstances within my control, this week was graced by four 1970s, recompense for nerves frayed by spirited renditions of Itsy Bitsy Spider at the tot's new bilingual school.

1970 Henri de Villamont Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Clos du Chapitre
1970 Azienda Agricola Le Colline Monsecco Conte Ravizza Riserva Speciale Gattinara 13,0% 720 ml
1970 Lopez de Heredia Viña Tondonia Gran Reserva 12,0%
1970 Alexis Lichine Charmes Chambertin Grand Cru 730 ml (produced and bottled by Maurice Dugat

Ask any questions on the forum and I will try to answer.
 
Say something about the Gran Reserva?

If this was a birthday celebration, many happy returns. If marking your son's school start up, congratulations.
 
I was first given a taste of the 1970 LdH GR a few months ago and was bowled over by its stupendousness. So I picked up a bottle to share with my wife, and it was equally stupendous. Like the earlier one, it synthesizes an entire meal on whatever axis one chooses. Appetizer, main and dessert. Meats, vegetables, spices, sweets. A completely universal essence type of wine, if you'll excuse the hyper bowl.

ps: they were all on separate evenings, as befits respect for one's elders (in dog years)
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Birth year wines Oswaldo?

Alas, no, I'm a 1955. The other three 1970s were plundered from the cellar of the father of a friend, who mostly drinks Bdx and thought these were over the hill of grace.
 
write about the monsecco, please. i love the more current wines, but have never tried anything more than a few years old!
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
write about the monsecco, please. i love the more current wines, but have never tried anything more than a few years old!

Eden wrote favorably about them (in general) some time ago.

This one had nicely evolved aromas, free of infirmities. Rather opaque red fruits, tar, and an unexpected citric note that had me doing nasal double takes. The fruit was still quite vibrant, but the slightly throat-burning acidity even more so. Not quite balanced, but close enough. With a bit of time in the glass, the telltale violets began to bloom, completing, with the tar, the set of classic markers. Gave us a lot of pleasure, though certainly not in the same league as the Tondonia. The 720 ml really pissed me off; a crime of less majesté.

Overall, the tempranillo stood the test of time best, followed by the nebbiolo, then the pinots. That is, perhaps, as one might expect (perhaps not if the nebbiolo were a good Barolo), but a cursory search showed that Decanter considers 1970 a 5 star vintage in Rioja, 4 star in Piedmont, and 3 star in Burgundy. So, not too much room for conclusions. Except, maybe, that while I'd rather watch Nureyev than Anderson Silva, it's better to have the latter in your corner were one to participate in a survival reality show.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
... the hyper bowl.

Talk about command of English!

This sounds like a match-up between the NFL champions and the winners of the World Cup tournament, based on the premise that the games each plays is commonly called 'football.'
 
Forgot to mention one puzzling aspect: while the other three had truckloads of sediment, the Tondonia had none whatsoever. Nothing, nada. Anyone have a clue as to why?
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
write about the monsecco, please. i love the more current wines, but have never tried anything more than a few years old!
I love the old Monseccos but haven't managed to taste the "revival" version yet.. hope they're worthy.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Forgot to mention one puzzling aspect: while the other three had truckloads of sediment, the Tondonia had none whatsoever. Nothing, nada. Anyone have a clue as to why?

Filtered. Gotta love that unique feature about old traditional Rioja, which does not get in the way of quality. Just threw a bottle of 62 Vina Real in my suitcase and served it 30 hours later in France. Brilliant.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Forgot to mention one puzzling aspect: while the other three had truckloads of sediment, the Tondonia had none whatsoever. Nothing, nada. Anyone have a clue as to why?

Filtered. Gotta love that unique feature about old traditional Rioja, which does not get in the way of quality. Just threw a bottle of 62 Vina Real in my suitcase and served it 30 hours later in France. Brilliant.

I was wondering if that might be the reason, but discarded it on the basis that 1970 seemed a bit too early for any of them to be unfiltered (in the natural wine kinda way, though maybe traditionals also favor unfiltered), and 40+ years in the bottle would generate enough post-bottling sediment to render the filtered v. unfiltered distinction moot.
 
Is the Tondonia Tempranillo-based? Tempranillo can make pretty good wine, in my limited experience. I wonder why it isn't chatted about more often.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is the Tondonia Tempranillo-based? Tempranillo can make pretty good wine, in my limited experience. I wonder why it isn't chatted about more often.
Oh, no. It's 92.75% bonardo, 7% corvina, and 3/4 of 1% obaideh.

Jeez.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Forgot to mention one puzzling aspect: while the other three had truckloads of sediment, the Tondonia had none whatsoever. Nothing, nada. Anyone have a clue as to why?

Filtered. Gotta love that unique feature about old traditional Rioja, which does not get in the way of quality. Just threw a bottle of 62 Vina Real in my suitcase and served it 30 hours later in France. Brilliant.
I don't really think that's the key, though it may be relevant. The wines are in barrel for so long that they throw the bulk of their sediment before they are bottled. Really long elevage cuts down on the sludge, IMO.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

I don't really think that's the key, though it may be relevant. The wines are in barrel for so long that they throw the bulk of their sediment before they are bottled. Really long elevage cuts down on the sludge, IMO.

up to a point, lord copper.

with teh trad bottlings, a lot depended on what part of the draw yours came from.

some bottles are like boarding kettle in group 900; others are more civilized. is why teh mags were golden under those laws.

fb.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is the Tondonia Tempranillo-based? Tempranillo can make pretty good wine, in my limited experience. I wonder why it isn't chatted about more often.

No, it's cabernet sauvignon. Everyone always talks about it, only in code.
 
originally posted by richard slicker:

up to a point, lord copper.....
I always wanted to be lord osmium. You know, dense.

Anyhow, def the big dif on variant flavors, but I still think all of them mostly light on teh sludge.
 
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