Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
Exactly. It makes no difference how much wine they have to sell, the other stores don't want to look bad.
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Exactly. It makes no difference how much wine they have to sell, the other stores don't want to look bad.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Marc -- Other than the funky RIP law, what is new in your story? As I read it, those economic forces (customers like cheap, stores try to undercut each other, etc etc etc) are the same as they were in the 19th Century. And wine stores survive.
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I once walked in on a good friend, who had just polished off an entire pie ( no toppings though ) with a full bottle of 66 Lafleur.
He apologized for not leaving me a slice.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I'd get prune fingers in no time.
Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
It's better than digging ditches.
Do you know, prune fingers have been discovered to be controlled by your brain to help you keep a better grip on wet things? Dixit Biology Letters.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Amazing. Soon they'll be coming up with an explanation for hiccups.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Provincial FranceOr this picture (via Justin Chearno) from a pizza place in M“con.
I can imagine that the pizza is very poor, but, also, who cares, with those wines on offer. I do recall a very nice clam pizza in the wilds, about 500m from the beaucastel vineyards with a bottle of reyas, back in the late '90s.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Not that I recall, & search engine shows nothing.
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steady. wars have started over far less trivial shit than defining good / poor pizza.
at least these fuckers are offering a balm.
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you mean like asking zul where to get a decent cup of coffee in napoli?
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now that's just crazy talk.
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oh, i see, several thousand years of culture, politicians and lawyers ain't enough to stop your sorry ass confusing "logic" and the way natural languages work?
it's like you have sentenced yourself to an eternity of reading supreme court readings and being forced to endorse teh logikz while having hot pokers pushed into your orifices.
i won't compound the torture --each to his own, i say -- but to confirm, i did say, "wars have started over far less trivial shit than defining good / poor pizza".
an old example from peter wason:
no head injury is too trivial to ignore
any head injury, however trivial, should not be ignored
. no child is too obnoxious to look after
every child should be looked after, no matter how obnoxious
. no question is too stupid to answer
every question should be answered, no matter how stupid
. no mistake is too trivial to correct
every mistake should be corrected, no matter how trivial
. no head injury is too trivial to ignore
every head injury should be ignored, no matter how trivial
now bite me.
"uh. what you doin with those teeth, sailor?"
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Marc Hanes
Marc Hanes
Okay, decompressed and have a salad in my gut so can reenter the belly of the beast...
John R. is correct that a major differentiating factor is New York state's ban on chains. In my opinion, it is a matter of when not if this ends. Then you will see Total Wine, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and so on enter the fray and say goodnight Gracie to many existing stores. I am actually agnostic on this, it's part of, umm, buying into being a citizen in a capitalist society. I was actually hired by Total Wine (never worked there), interviewed at Whole Foods and really this is the future. You will be surprised at how many fellow customers in line with you at Boutique Wine 'R' Us would just as soon get wine at their neighborhood Trader Joe's as at the local Terroir & Blood Wines. I hope to watch this play out dispassionately and at a far remove over the years to come.
Kirk... It is not an invitation to bad behavior. It is institutionalized bad behavior. RIPs are sanctioned and legitimized kickbacks. Perversely the average customer may benefit because they are more immediately involved in the retail price paid at the moment of sale. But customers suffer due to lack of "bio-diversity" although many would not give a rat's ass. And, let us not get too idealistic, these are not customers who will one day thank you for turning them onto Trousseau or Fiano. Just not going to happen. I heartily recommend Apothic Red numerous times a day because, well, I know it will make them happy and, really happiness is what I sell.
I personally agree with Yixin on the focal point issue. Once the customer knows *someone* will sell it at price X, anyone over price X is suspect. This mindset is pervasive.
Joe, I see your point in most of your comments. But you start from the perspective of differentiating "commodities" from something different, which I suspect has a more romantic and/or intellectual bent to it. I am not sure I buy into a starker black and white Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio is a commodity whereas Baudry Cabernet Franc is not mindset. There's LOTS of negotiating room in such a discussion. Again, I would say these sort of comments are based in the "we are too close to history to see it" category. It's not about intention of the producer, maybe more so about how the product is shaped in the market. Similar to Derridean approaches to intentionality, the author's intent (written or verbal) is cute and all but has little lasting effect on its actuality. But that's that on that, I ain't going there, not in grad school anymore.
So, Jeff, as with my response to Joe I really don't know what to say. It's just gut instinct from what I see day to day. As many say, your mileage may vary. All I can say is I "grew up" in the wine business in Manhattan. So I thought that was "normal." After working in other locales and investigating others still, I have tempered this belief. Wine stores WILL survive in NYC, even if the chain stores have their way. If you want evidence, you will always be able to find it. Will they be as ubiquitous as today? Dunno. Will they have to sell Veuve Clicquot to pay for the right to sell Camille Saves? Likely. All I can do is shrug and say from what I see we are watching dinosaurs who can't figure out what the big dark thing streaking across the sky is. Lordy knows, I would prefer to be incorrect. But I am attempting to analyze things dispassionately and openly. Historical precedent is useful but only to a point as a guiding star. After that, objective analysis only gets you so far you just have to trust your gut. Mine says it's all over but for the crying.
BJ - Yes, although I prefer "universe" to "god."
Oliver, I am not sure sure. I kinda like digging ditches. I was probably a farmer in another life. Or soldier in World War I.
In the final analysis, I truly hope that my tenure in wine retailing will soon come to an end and that I can find more lucrative and stable employment elsewhere, be it in wine or something entirely different. Fighting the good fight is not my cup of tea any longer and I really don't want to work 12 hours on Saturdays. Anyone hiring?
John R. is correct that a major differentiating factor is New York state's ban on chains. In my opinion, it is a matter of when not if this ends. Then you will see Total Wine, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and so on enter the fray and say goodnight Gracie to many existing stores. I am actually agnostic on this, it's part of, umm, buying into being a citizen in a capitalist society. I was actually hired by Total Wine (never worked there), interviewed at Whole Foods and really this is the future. You will be surprised at how many fellow customers in line with you at Boutique Wine 'R' Us would just as soon get wine at their neighborhood Trader Joe's as at the local Terroir & Blood Wines. I hope to watch this play out dispassionately and at a far remove over the years to come.
Kirk... It is not an invitation to bad behavior. It is institutionalized bad behavior. RIPs are sanctioned and legitimized kickbacks. Perversely the average customer may benefit because they are more immediately involved in the retail price paid at the moment of sale. But customers suffer due to lack of "bio-diversity" although many would not give a rat's ass. And, let us not get too idealistic, these are not customers who will one day thank you for turning them onto Trousseau or Fiano. Just not going to happen. I heartily recommend Apothic Red numerous times a day because, well, I know it will make them happy and, really happiness is what I sell.
I personally agree with Yixin on the focal point issue. Once the customer knows *someone* will sell it at price X, anyone over price X is suspect. This mindset is pervasive.
Joe, I see your point in most of your comments. But you start from the perspective of differentiating "commodities" from something different, which I suspect has a more romantic and/or intellectual bent to it. I am not sure I buy into a starker black and white Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio is a commodity whereas Baudry Cabernet Franc is not mindset. There's LOTS of negotiating room in such a discussion. Again, I would say these sort of comments are based in the "we are too close to history to see it" category. It's not about intention of the producer, maybe more so about how the product is shaped in the market. Similar to Derridean approaches to intentionality, the author's intent (written or verbal) is cute and all but has little lasting effect on its actuality. But that's that on that, I ain't going there, not in grad school anymore.
So, Jeff, as with my response to Joe I really don't know what to say. It's just gut instinct from what I see day to day. As many say, your mileage may vary. All I can say is I "grew up" in the wine business in Manhattan. So I thought that was "normal." After working in other locales and investigating others still, I have tempered this belief. Wine stores WILL survive in NYC, even if the chain stores have their way. If you want evidence, you will always be able to find it. Will they be as ubiquitous as today? Dunno. Will they have to sell Veuve Clicquot to pay for the right to sell Camille Saves? Likely. All I can do is shrug and say from what I see we are watching dinosaurs who can't figure out what the big dark thing streaking across the sky is. Lordy knows, I would prefer to be incorrect. But I am attempting to analyze things dispassionately and openly. Historical precedent is useful but only to a point as a guiding star. After that, objective analysis only gets you so far you just have to trust your gut. Mine says it's all over but for the crying.
BJ - Yes, although I prefer "universe" to "god."
Oliver, I am not sure sure. I kinda like digging ditches. I was probably a farmer in another life. Or soldier in World War I.
In the final analysis, I truly hope that my tenure in wine retailing will soon come to an end and that I can find more lucrative and stable employment elsewhere, be it in wine or something entirely different. Fighting the good fight is not my cup of tea any longer and I really don't want to work 12 hours on Saturdays. Anyone hiring?