This winemaker

It really is likely that he just tasted the wines, didn't like them, made inaccurate guesses about why they tasted as he perceived they did with unbecoming certitude and then found out they were attached to the name Texier, about which he knew nothing. I don't see that disliking Texier wines is a sin. Even stupidity, alas, is not a sin. Unlike Zylerberg, he doesn't attribute saying that one likes Texier wines to giving in to brainwashing, which was really what I found distasteful about him. This guy just doesn't like the wines and doesn't know how to identify the causes of what he tastes. He also lacks a becoming uncertainty about his beliefs, but that's not a sin lacking on this board. I'm for leaving him be.
 
"He also lacks a becoming uncertainty about his beliefs, but that's not a sin lacking on this board. "

True dat.
Best, Jim
 
I have seen thousand of negative tasting notes about my wines.
A lot of my friends or relatives don't like all or some of my wines.
I would have chosen a different way if my main goal was to please crowds.
I posted back something like less than 10 times and each time because the writer gave me intentions that I found for the least wrong and very often insulting : cheeting on winemaking, making too much different wines, brainwashing people by posting on wine boards, and now using oak chips and grape names to fool US customers that I presumely see as stupid, uncultured wine drinkers.
This is not only about not liking wine, I am afraid.
Maybe I am wrong and over reacting. Maybe not.
 
originally posted by Brézème:
I have seen thousand of negative tasting notes about my wines.
A lot of my friends or relatives don't like all or some of my wines.
I would have chosen a different way if my main goal was to please crowds.
I posted back something like less than 10 times and each time because the writer gave me intentions that I found for the least wrong and very often insulting : cheeting on winemaking, making too much different wines, brainwashing people by posting on wine boards, and now using oak chips and grape names to fool US customers that I presumely see as stupid, uncultured wine drinkers.
This is not only about not liking wine, I am afraid.
Maybe I am wrong and over reacting. Maybe not.
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Eric,
As a scientific researcher, I am continually presented with anonymous reviews of my work. At its best, such peer review is insightful, useful and constructive; more often, it is petty, self-serving and not infrequently misinformed. Many has been the time when I wished that I could publicly rebut the incredibly misguided criticisms of some of my work but to do so, even if I could, would surely end my career in science. I applaud your effort to correct the record when completely incorrect accusations are leveled at your work and I hope that you don't let these words change in any way how you feel about what you do.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Brézème:
I have seen thousand of negative tasting notes about my wines.
A lot of my friends or relatives don't like all or some of my wines.
I would have chosen a different way if my main goal was to please crowds.
I posted back something like less than 10 times and each time because the writer gave me intentions that I found for the least wrong and very often insulting : cheeting on winemaking, making too much different wines, brainwashing people by posting on wine boards, and now using oak chips and grape names to fool US customers that I presumely see as stupid, uncultured wine drinkers.
This is not only about not liking wine, I am afraid.
Maybe I am wrong and over reacting. Maybe not.
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Criticism is, intrinsically, controversial.
We evidence that fact here daily.

It can also be factually inaccurate or mean spirited. I think this reflects more on the critic than the item being criticized.
Nothing wrong in correcting factual inaccuracies or calling one out for meanness.

With all things creative, along with the greatest achievement comes the most doubt. Perfection and certainty are granted to the less adventuresome as a consolation prize.

I prefer adventure.
Apparently, so do you.
Bravo!
Best, Jim
 
"With all things creative, along with the greatest achievement comes the most doubt. Perfection and certainty are granted to the less adventuresome as a consolation prize."

I like that.
 
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
"With all things creative, along with the greatest achievement comes the most doubt. Perfection and certainty are granted to the less adventuresome as a consolation prize."

I like that.
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-Robert Hughes, except he said it about art.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
If you want more nitrogen, you can buy it and put it on the vineyard as ammonium nitrate or manure or what have you. I imagine that Eric's soils would measure lower in nitrogen than many conventionally farmed neighbors.

Just my guess.
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The point of interest would be less the amount of nutrient (say, nitrogen) in the soil and more the amount taken up by the plants. The simplified organic-biody argument would be something like: the small biota in robust soil-based ecology distribute mineralized nitrogen continuously within the root zone hugely more efficiently than vertical transport with rain water alone. So less nitrogen nourishes the plants better than under pesticide(fungicide, etc.)-fertilize regimes.
 
In response to Eric's answer as to why he responded to the original folderol, I should clarify that I was talking about the rest of us. Eric might understandably and even rightly take umbrage about foolish guesses as to how he made his wine, even merely to correct factual inaccuracies. The rest of us have less reason to notice. And as someone whose work has been reviewed in print and accused of all manner of arcane academic sins, I understand Eric's response but tend to share Mark's.
 
It's unfortunate that one of the few vigneron who makes the effort to interact directly with his consumers on the internet seems to get a black eye for it. But I suppose that's the new way, isn't it. Go play in the pig sty, you are bound to get a bit muddy.

It is a shame that we can't take a few pops at the winemakers that deserve it, though! (note, there's a hierarchy I'd like to see!)
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Brézème:

Hope this helps
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It raises more questions than it answers, but the questions are really interesting ones.
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Certainly the most interesting and intelligent thing I've heard and read on the internet in some time. Of all the questions it begs I feel the best way to understand this is to open a bottle and let the wine do the explaining.

Bravo Eric.
 
originally posted by Brézème:
I have seen thousand of negative tasting notes about my wines.
A lot of my friends or relatives don't like all or some of my wines.
I would have chosen a different way if my main goal was to please crowds.
I posted back something like less than 10 times and each time because the writer gave me intentions that I found for the least wrong and very often insulting : cheeting on winemaking, making too much different wines, brainwashing people by posting on wine boards, and now using oak chips and grape names to fool US customers that I presumely see as stupid, uncultured wine drinkers.
This is not only about not liking wine, I am afraid.
Maybe I am wrong and over reacting. Maybe not.
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I think it's great. Fuck the assholes. We'll continue to sell your wines proudly, even if some of them are shitty.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Brézème:
I have seen thousand of negative tasting notes about my wines.
A lot of my friends or relatives don't like all or some of my wines.
I would have chosen a different way if my main goal was to please crowds.
I posted back something like less than 10 times and each time because the writer gave me intentions that I found for the least wrong and very often insulting : cheeting on winemaking, making too much different wines, brainwashing people by posting on wine boards, and now using oak chips and grape names to fool US customers that I presumely see as stupid, uncultured wine drinkers.
This is not only about not liking wine, I am afraid.
Maybe I am wrong and over reacting. Maybe not.
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Eric,
As a scientific researcher, I am continually presented with anonymous reviews of my work. At its best, such peer review is insightful, useful and constructive; more often, it is petty, self-serving and not infrequently misinformed. Many has been the time when I wished that I could publicly rebut the incredibly misguided criticisms of some of my work but to do so, even if I could, would surely end my career in science. I applaud your effort to correct the record when completely incorrect accusations are leveled at your work and I hope that you don't let these words change in any way how you feel about what you do.

Mark Lipton
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Reviewer 2 must be stopped!!!

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originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
"With all things creative, along with the greatest achievement comes the most doubt. Perfection and certainty are granted to the less adventuresome as a consolation prize."

I like that.
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-Robert Hughes, except he said it about art.
Best, Jim
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I don't like comparing wine growing to art, I think that's wrong.

It's a metier and a craft. Something you hone over years of experience and thoughtful pursuit, not some rush of inspiration.

art.jpg
 
originally posted by mlawton:
It's unfortunate that one of the few vigneron who makes the effort to interact directly with his consumers on the internet seems to get a black eye for it. But I suppose that's the new way, isn't it. Go play in the pig sty, you are bound to get a bit muddy.

It is a shame that we can't take a few pops at the winemakers that deserve it, though! (note, there's a hierarchy I'd like to see!)
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I think he gets a lot more love than he gets hate, and most fo the hate is so Zyblerbergian that it actually helps him.

Should we change that to Stolpmanian since that schmuck made Zyblerberg look thoughtful?
 
originally posted by VLM:

I don't like comparing wine growing to art, I think that's wrong.

It's a metier and a craft. Something you hone over years of experience and thoughtful pursuit, not some rush of inspiration.

art.jpg
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Art is a rush of inspiration only when the rush flows out onto a foundation of craft, honed over years of experience and thoughtful pursuit. Ymmv.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mlawton:
It's unfortunate that one of the few vigneron who makes the effort to interact directly with his consumers on the internet seems to get a black eye for it. But I suppose that's the new way, isn't it. Go play in the pig sty, you are bound to get a bit muddy.

It is a shame that we can't take a few pops at the winemakers that deserve it, though! (note, there's a hierarchy I'd like to see!)
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I think he gets a lot more love than he gets hate, and most fo the hate is so Zyblerbergian that it actually helps him.

Should we change that to Stolpmanian since that schmuck made Zyblerberg look thoughtful?
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Eric doesn't seem to be too intimidated by all this Stolpmanian/Zylbergian hooey.
 
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