2009 Foillard, Morgon

Florida Jim

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
Cotes du Py or whatever the spelling is.
This is Dubeof all over again. (Yeah, I can't spell and I don't care.)
Perfume nose; carbonated beverage palate and nothing going on to make me want even another sip. What the hell happened here?
Best, Jim
 
Could we have a tiny scrap of specificity out of each side so that we might have a tiny sense of what is at issue?

I have not idea what you guys are on about.
 
Having had Deboeuf, I know what Jim means. And his description accords with my experience of Deboeuf. Since Brad just asserts disagreement, I don't know whether he likes what Jim dislikes or denies tasting what Jim tasted. Nor could I know, really, because Brad could easily be tasting the same thing Jim is but evaluating the taste differently and therefore thinking he tastes something different. Bottle variation is one way of getting out of such difficulties. Another is to accept our differences.

According to my computer, which is still on Eastern standard time, it's almost 3 AM on Sunday morning where you are, unless you're not where I think you are. what are you doing up at this hour?
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
2009 Foillard, MorgonCotes du Py or whatever the spelling is.
This is Dubeof all over again. (Yeah, I can't spell and I don't care.)
Perfume nose; carbonated beverage palate and nothing going on to make me want even another sip. What the hell happened here?
Best, Jim
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Sounds like a cooked bottle, even though I have no love for the wine.
 
On release I heard many reports of severe bottle variation though the 2 or 3 I tried were my top 2009 Beaulolais.

I didn't put any away so I haven't tried it in a while.
 
I was patiently waiting too, but a wine geek from Vitória in Espirito Santo who had never tasted Foillard Py came to my door to supplicate. What was I to do? I suppose I could have opened a Duboeuf.
 
I found it an uncommonly temperamental vintage, and Foillard often goes through a bunch moods early on. It had weird ripeness combined with moderate alcohol. But the last couple I tried were beautiful, and I'm letting the rest sleep until they sort themselves out.
 
I first had this wine on 12/05/10 and instantly tasted candied fruit which reminded me of a 2003 Beaujolais tasting. In that tasting only the 2003 Foillard did not have the candied fruit flavor. In a rare post I wrote the observation on WI.
Shortly after Jim came through and we tasted the wine with food together. Jim couldn't agree with the comment; I refused to drink the wine that night after the first taste. We tried it again last night and agreed on the candied fruit.

The wine came from CSW and was shipped to me in late November 2010; it has been in a wine cellar ever since. All the 7 bottles that I have had since had the same characteristic.
 
Any 11 year old kid will tell you that candy is a very broad category.

I've tasted 'candied' elements in a variety of wines, but mainly because of the tone of the flavor, not the overall level of sweetness.

FWIW, I'm no fan of grenache but I'm a fan of 09 Foillard. It doesn't taste like 08 or 10 Foillard, but my 6 or so bottles have been consistently delicious and recognizably Foillard.
 
This is the wine that made me a 2009 hater, back when it was released. I found the one bottle I opened candied and fairly gross.

I was sad as I'd already committed to a few magnums. Friends have tried to convince me there is a great wine lurking beneath the vintage's sleeve, so they are buried in storage.

Reminds me of the hand-wringing over Lapierre MMVII, which similarly divided Disorderlies.
 
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