California uber alles

BJ

BJ
Just came back from Christmas with family down in the Santa Rosa area (Windsor, actually). It's a great state, despite all its foibles. Just drive from Jenner to the City via Pt. Reyes and the Marin headlands if you need convincing.

Lots of bad wine on the trip, including nearly every wine picked up from K and L on the way out of town (ok, not BAD, just unremarkable). But here were the highlights:

At Quince, a sublime 98 Huet Petillant reserve, apparently a recent domaine release. Just perfect, with everything. Ideal age for me.

Also at Quince, a 10 Julien Labet Poulsard, similar level of outstandingness.

Quince was great, but when we showed up fifteen minutes late and were notified they needed to turn our table within 2.5 hours, I was totally turned off. $500 for 2.5 hours? Is this normal? The food was great, though.

A Stony Hill I bought for my Mom's 70th was pretty good. The Pahlmeyer I also bought for her (in deference to her palate) was absolutely disgusting, and a huge waste of money (at least a Kistler would have accorded with some sort of paradigm, this was just gussied up crap).

I had forgotten just how great Laphroig 10 year is. I bought a bottle for my brother in law, and greatly enjoyed a dram. Quality stuff that.

The LIOCO Sonoma Coast, drunk at Nick's Cove, was an absolute delight, and one of the best American wines I've ever had. Would give a good Meursault a run for its money. Anyone know anything about these guys? I will search them out.

On our way out, we had a spare hour and dropped through Hayes Valley and stopped at Arlequin for a bit. That's a neat place. We always enjoy it. We enjoyed a bottle of Steve's 11 Bone Jolly, which is a singular Gamay expression. Steve, I am curious though: is the spritz intentional? Second vintage I've had with it.

And now back home, a PC imported 00 St. Cosme Gigondas, quite tasty. I find some of the PC Euro grey market imports to be pretty interesting; noticeably different than the American importers and more classic in style, ie, better.

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originally posted by BJ:
California uber allesJust came back from Christmas with family down in the Santa Rosa area (Windsor, actually). It's a great state, despite all its foibles. Just drive from Jenner to the City via Pt. Reyes and the Marin headlands if you need convincing.

Lots of bad wine on the trip, including nearly every wine picked up from K and L on the way out of town (ok, not BAD, just unremarkable). But here were the highlights:

At Quince, a sublime 98 Huet Petillant reserve, apparently a recent domaine release. Just perfect, with everything. Ideal age for me.

Also at Quince, a 10 Julien Labet Poulsard, similar level of outstandingness.

Quince was great, but when we showed up fifteen minutes late and were notified they needed to turn our table within 2.5 hours, I was totally turned off. $500 for 2.5 hours? Is this normal? The food was great, though.

A Stony Hill I bought for my Mom's 70th was pretty good. The Pahlmeyer I also bought for her (in deference to her palate) was absolutely disgusting, and a huge waste of money (at least a Kistler would have accorded with some sort of paradigm, this was just gussied up crap).

I had forgotten just how great Laphroig 10 year is. I bought a bottle for my brother in law, and greatly enjoyed a dram. Quality stuff that.

The LIOCO Sonoma Coast, drunk at Nick's Cove, was an absolute delight, and one of the best American wines I've ever had. Would give a good Meursault a run for its money. Anyone know anything about these guys? I will search them out.

On our way out, we had a spare hour and dropped through Hayes Valley and stopped at Arlequin for a bit. That's a neat place. We always enjoy it. We enjoyed a bottle of Steve's 11 Bone Jolly, which is a singular Gamay expression. Steve, I am curious though: is the spritz intentional? Second vintage I've had with it.

And now, a PC imported 00 St. Cosme Gigondas, quite tasty. I find some of the PC Euro grey market imports to be pretty interesting; noticeably different than the American importers and more classic in style, ie, better.

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residual CO2 from fermentation. we bottle in February. I usually decant, gently, and the air wakes the wine up nicely.
 
LIOCO used to be made by Kevin Kelley in a facility near the one I use. I think it has been sold now so the vintage of what you drank is important.
Kevin also makes Salinia and Natural Process Alliance (in returnable stainless containers). His work is certainly atypical for CA. And he is often labeled as a "natural wine" producer, although not by himself.
I recently had his 25 Reasons bubbly (skin fermented Sauvignon in a petulant style) and wrote it up here - really nice. His wines are all over the lot but some are simply outstanding.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
LIOCO used to be made by Kevin Kelley in a facility near the one I use. I think it has been sold now so the vintage of what you drank is important.

Lioco is owned by Matt Licklider and Kevin O'Connor. Their winemaker as of the 2011 vintage is John Raytek, co-owner and winemaker of Ceritas. I think Kevin Kelley made everything before.

Lioco 2011 has yet to really appear in the market, not the Sonoma County wines anyway, though you should be able to find their second label the NoCo 2011 Chardonnay. The NoCo (their abbreviation) Chardonnay is from Mendocino County. I believe that is Raytek's first wine to be released by Lioco.

The winery name is a mashup of the owner's last names.

I am a mashup of the personalities of my friends and family, and my name is Steven. This is my first post on disorder, so I thought I should say that. Probably a mistake.
 
I still remember in one place I worked, someone spelled it "San Arosa." Thought it had quite an aromatic ring to it.
 
"Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone, feel free again..."

be kind to the newbs.

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originally posted by richard slicker:
"Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone, feel free again..."

be kind to the newbs.

Oooh, a DKs reference. Takes me right back, it does.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Oooh, a DKs reference. Takes me right back, it does.

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apparently "let's lynch the landlord" is now a ringtone.

ye gods.

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originally posted by richard slicker:
originally posted by MLipton:


Oooh, a DKs reference. Takes me right back, it does.

apparently "let's lynch the landlord" is now a ringtone.

ye gods.

Any day now "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" will be the soundtrack to a Volkswagen commercial.

Mark Lipton
 
I saw Jello speak a few years back. The story of Levis trying to license holiday in Cambodia for a commercial was both horrifying and hilarious.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Is the new LIOCO any good? 2011 vintage?
Hey I was just out there.
The Ceritas wines were unbelievably good.
I never imagined I would love a California Chardonnay, but these were fabulous.
Anyway I think John who is the owner and winemaker at Ceritas also makes the wines at Lioco so I imagine they are good too.
2011 was a cool year and it played right into their style.
The white wines especially are great.
Didn't taste Lioco though.
 
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