Vouvray p'ox?

[SFJoe]

originally posted by nigel groundwater:

My chemistry is way too old [and never practised] to offer anything meaningful but the idea of the colour in relation to copper and the possibility of an oxidation process catalysed might be considered if only to be easily dismissed with some proper expertise or detailed knowledge concerning Huet's vineyard practices - and those of all blue-tinged cork winemakers.

I think the EU rules on residual copper in wine would make it tough to have enough to color the cork and catalyze many reactions.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I was never a heavy white Burgundy buyer so I haven't followed the premox saga quite as closely as others, but --

...

2) If there is any premox in Vouvray above and beyond the pattern you're going to get anywhere from occasional cork failures, that pretty much demolishes the theory that premox is a result of any changes in winemaking practice in Burgundy.

Welcome to the saga.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:

1) I could have sworn the blue-tinged cork thing had been acknowledged as a red herring. It may be on a lot of premoxed bottles, but it's also on a lot of non-premoxed bottles, isn't it?

I'd be interested whose acknowledgement you cite.

IME, it is not 100% in either direction, but the overlap is frequent.

I don't open much premoxed white burg (don't own much WB), but I find it in premoxed Chablis, Jasnieres, Gruner Veltliner, Muscadet, and the rest of my usual fare.

If you really want to lose sleep, start worrying about your red Burgs.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by VLM:
I feel especially bad for you because I'll bet you bought a fair bit.

Thanks, you're right.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't opened any.

 

[Salil Benegal]

premoxed Gruner Veltliner?

Say it ain't so. Which producers/bottlings have you found affected?

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't seen it in the stickies thus far.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by SFJoe:

I don't open much premoxed white burg (don't own much WB), but I find it in premoxed Chablis...

Lurkers have written me to complain about my geographical imprecision. Please read "burg" as "Cote d'Or."

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Salil Benegal:
premoxed Gruner Veltliner?

Say it ain't so. Which producers/bottlings have you found affected?

2001 Nigl Privat, for instance.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't seen it in the stickies thus far.

Then that might be a clue.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't seen it in the stickies thus far.

Then that might be a clue.

in some sense, yes, but perhaps not in the way you are thinking - there are various factors which delay pre-mox, including very cold storage apparently i.e.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't seen it in the stickies thus far.

Then that might be a clue.

in some sense, yes, but perhaps not in the way you are thinking - there are various factors which delay pre-mox, including very cold storage apparently i.e.

 

[SFJoe]

Stickies have a much more concetrated redox buffer to absorb oxidative insults--they are more like reds.

Which isn't to say that they couldn't age faster than expected, but the timeframe should be longer.

 

[scottreiner]

i'm planning on opening my 1st bottle of 05 foreau moelleux reserve tonight with some very spicy thai food. i will report.

(actually, i must admit, it is my first foreau moelleux reserve)

 

[MarkS]

Hasn't Huet always been weird like this? I've seen things advanced, and not, since the 1985 vintage.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Have a solitary bottle of 02 Huet Moelleux; are the stickies prone to blue man group disease as well?

I haven't seen it in the stickies thus far.

Then that might be a clue.

in some sense, yes, but perhaps not in the way you are thinking - there are various factors which delay pre-mox, including very cold storage apparently i.e.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Relevant only if everyone stores 02 Moelleuxs at lower temperatures than 02 Secs?

no, what Joe said

 

[Carl Steefel]

originally posted by MLipton:
There is anecdotal evidence that a blue tinge to a silicone-coated cork is a good predictor of premox. Like my esteemed colleague I have not yet puzzled out the underlying chemistry.

Mark Lipton

I have seen the blue tinge attributed to the past use of peroxide in bleaching the corks. To the extent that this was done, it may have been that the peroxide lingered in the pores of the cork (held there by the capillarity), only to diffuse out when bathed on when end in liquid (the wine)...

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Relevant only if everyone stores 02 Moelleuxs at lower temperatures than 02 Secs?

no, what Joe said

Cold temperatures delay everything wouldn't explain why moelleux behaves different from sec as far as blue in the corks.