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The Meat
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Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
originally posted by SFJoe:
Yah. Aziza has a good list, too, though I suspect the website is not up to date. Former Ellenbogen client.
Aziza also has excellent cocktails. If she's not too familiar with Moroccan food, it would be an exciting and interesting choice.
In terms of bang for the buck, the coolest place in San Francisco right now may be Commonwealth, which Larry mentioned. The cooking there has vastly improved as the restaurant has been open.
Also, in terms of hipness, there also is Mission Chinese Food, which incidentally is next door to Commonwealth.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Maybe Zuni.
Alas, not quite what it used to be. I'd go to Bar Tartine.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
In the running, La Ciccia, Aziza, Commonwealth, Cotogna, Bar Tartine. Embarras de choix.
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In the running, La Ciccia, Aziza, Commonwealth, Cotogna, Bar Tartine. Embarras de choix.
Aziza will be your easiest rez; Cotogna probably the toughest (nay, almost impossible).
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
In the running, La Ciccia, Aziza, Commonwealth, Cotogna, Bar Tartine. Embarras de choix.
Aziza will be your easiest rez; Cotogna probably the toughest (nay, almost impossible).
We have ways of making them talk.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Nothing in Oakland, besides Alice Waters?
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
Commis and Camino. Hard to say if Chez Panisse will be open by then.
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
Duende, in Oakland, is pretty damn good
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
I'm quite keen on trying Duende.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
If you want a sleeper, consider Contigo for the freshest of Spanish food (mostly Catalunian?) and outstanding Spanish wine list with a great many by-the-glass offerings.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Excellent.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Nothing in Oakland, besides Alice Waters?
Oliveto.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Nothing in Oakland, besides Alice Waters?
Oliveto.
Not really what it used to be. Commis, in Oakland, is the best restaurant in the East Bay by quite a margin, IMO.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Nothing in Oakland, besides Alice Waters?
Oliveto.
Not what it used to be. Commis, in Oakland, is the best restaurant in the East Bay by quite a margin, IMO.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
I eat at Oliveto 2 or 3 times a year and have done so for almost 15 years. I think it is actually better now than when Paul B was there.originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Nothing in Oakland, besides Alice Waters?
Oliveto.
Not what it used to be. Commis, in Oakland, is the best restaurant in the East Bay by quite a margin, IMO.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
So, we went to Bar Tartine on Saturday night and Aziza on Sunday.
At BT, the clean, white-and-wood ambiance was attractive but tables were too close, the reflective acoustics not conducive to tête-a-têtes, service more brisk than efficient (wines by the glass did not coincide with courses, had to be re-requested), but the food was quite good. Cucumber brine pickle, mushrooms with garlic and marjoram, and mustard greens with paprika oil were more interesting than tasty; smoked potatoes with ramp mayonnaise delicious; pork shoulder steak with padron peppers and purslane good but not memorable.
By the glass:
2011 Királyudvar Tokaj 'Sec'
Attractive and crisp, muscadettish, rather simple.
2011 Hirsch "Bohan-Dillon" Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast
Unflawed but deeply uninteresting, perhaps merely too young.
2006 Copain 'Hawks Butte' Syrah
This I liked, despite the poor taste in naming. Meaty and smoky, with good balance and a measure of complexity.
Aziza, on the other hand, had deplorable daycore, unjustifiable even by any supposed ironic pantomime of its middle-eastern origins: purple velvet-lined walls and stolid furniture. And the front desk won’t break bucks for quarters to feed the lousily omnipresent meters. At close to three figures, the Father’s Day tasting menu was a bit pricey, but we went for it, what the hell, and were amply rewarded with a succession of thrilling, memorably unforgettable forget-me-nots. Just superb ingredients, crisscrossed in inventive and unlikely combinations, homely yummy and worldly sophisticated all at once, abetted by impeccably efficient service. No details. Olivia has aide memoire pictures, but she is currently quarantined and the outdated site is no help for my addled memory of the memorably unforgettable.
From the very excellently disorderly wine list, but uninspiring by the glass options, I resigned myself (as sole drinker) to a half bottles of 2010 Do Ferreiro Albariño (crisp and juicy, again muscadettish) and an acceptable (but not more) 2010 Morgon by some guy (not Guy) I had never heard of.
Thanks to all who helped make this decision an enjoyable collective bargaining process (La Ciccia was closed for summer vacations).
At BT, the clean, white-and-wood ambiance was attractive but tables were too close, the reflective acoustics not conducive to tête-a-têtes, service more brisk than efficient (wines by the glass did not coincide with courses, had to be re-requested), but the food was quite good. Cucumber brine pickle, mushrooms with garlic and marjoram, and mustard greens with paprika oil were more interesting than tasty; smoked potatoes with ramp mayonnaise delicious; pork shoulder steak with padron peppers and purslane good but not memorable.
By the glass:
2011 Királyudvar Tokaj 'Sec'
Attractive and crisp, muscadettish, rather simple.
2011 Hirsch "Bohan-Dillon" Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast
Unflawed but deeply uninteresting, perhaps merely too young.
2006 Copain 'Hawks Butte' Syrah
This I liked, despite the poor taste in naming. Meaty and smoky, with good balance and a measure of complexity.
Aziza, on the other hand, had deplorable daycore, unjustifiable even by any supposed ironic pantomime of its middle-eastern origins: purple velvet-lined walls and stolid furniture. And the front desk won’t break bucks for quarters to feed the lousily omnipresent meters. At close to three figures, the Father’s Day tasting menu was a bit pricey, but we went for it, what the hell, and were amply rewarded with a succession of thrilling, memorably unforgettable forget-me-nots. Just superb ingredients, crisscrossed in inventive and unlikely combinations, homely yummy and worldly sophisticated all at once, abetted by impeccably efficient service. No details. Olivia has aide memoire pictures, but she is currently quarantined and the outdated site is no help for my addled memory of the memorably unforgettable.
From the very excellently disorderly wine list, but uninspiring by the glass options, I resigned myself (as sole drinker) to a half bottles of 2010 Do Ferreiro Albariño (crisp and juicy, again muscadettish) and an acceptable (but not more) 2010 Morgon by some guy (not Guy) I had never heard of.
Thanks to all who helped make this decision an enjoyable collective bargaining process (La Ciccia was closed for summer vacations).
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
It's a butte.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
2006 Copain 'Hawks Butte' Syrah
This I liked, despite the poor taste in naming.
No, it's a mound.
And right purty, too. Can you move it?
But why?
Railroad's coming through. Right now.