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Travels with DJ Steve Part 3, Cabernet Franc
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originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
That is funny. I can imagine in 20 years, with older vines, the case will be stronger. But for now, I quite agree with you. I like that taste.originally posted by VLM:
Funny thing is, Matthieu doesn't understand why we like the Grézeaux so much. He feels it is vastly inferior to Guillot. I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Oh, and fuck hierarchies.
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
I spent an hour and a half with a glass of '64 that says differently.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by SFJoe:
That is funny. I can imagine in 20 years, with older vines, the case will be stronger. But for now, I quite agree with you. I like that taste.originally posted by VLM:
Funny thing is, Matthieu doesn't understand why we like the Grézeaux so much. He feels it is vastly inferior to Guillot. I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Oh, and fuck hierarchies.
Ditto here. Not that I drink as much of them as either of you but there are very few wines I enjoy as much or as reliably as a Baudry Grezeaux.
I would open one, find it closed, and wait.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I don't have 50 years, I fear.
1995 Baudry Croix Boissee (not labeled that way) is a funny wine, sometimes just totally closed. I don't understand it.
Mine are gone. 1997 too.
Rinse, repeat.
I guess I'll just drink up.
originally posted by SFJoe:
I would open one, find it closed, and wait.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I don't have 50 years, I fear.
1995 Baudry Croix Boissee (not labeled that way) is a funny wine, sometimes just totally closed. I don't understand it.
Mine are gone. 1997 too.
Rinse, repeat.
I guess I'll just drink up.
I've had glorious bottles, closed bottles, and even OTH seeming bottles, but none in a couple of years.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Would it be wasteful to open a 2007 Croix Boisée soon?
No. It is a good idea.
First two were too boisée, so have been waiting for the rest to become less so. Are they there yet, or are you pulling Ian's leg?
I'll try one soon and report.
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I spent an hour and a half with a glass of '64 that says differently.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
I have no doubt that you had a great experience at the cave with a wine that has never been moved, but I think that is the exception. All wines tend towards an asymptotic point where they lose the individuality that we cherish.
Would you seriously recommend waiting 25 years to drink Lenoir?
originally posted by SFJoe:
That is funny. I can imagine in 20 years, with older vines, the case will be stronger. But for now, I quite agree with you. I like that taste.originally posted by VLM:
Funny thing is, Matthieu doesn't understand why we like the Grézeaux so much. He feels it is vastly inferior to Guillot. I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Oh, and fuck hierarchies.
You can't agree with me in one sentence then write "fuck hierarchies" in the next... [G]
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by SFJoe:
That is funny. I can imagine in 20 years, with older vines, the case will be stronger. But for now, I quite agree with you. I like that taste.originally posted by VLM:
Funny thing is, Matthieu doesn't understand why we like the Grézeaux so much. He feels it is vastly inferior to Guillot. I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Oh, and fuck hierarchies.
Ditto here. Not that I drink as much of them as either of you but there are very few wines I enjoy as much or as reliably as a Baudry Grezeaux.
I haven't been drinking much cabernet franc in recent years but I used to like Grézeaux the most of the Baudry wines because of the distinctive taste and perhaps because I started drinking it before the CB. So for a while, I would often prefer Grézeaux to CB for sentimental reasons, even though I could see why the latter was more impressive.
Such is wine.
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
No, but it's something special. 15 years is where it starts to get really interesting, for the good bottles.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I spent an hour and a half with a glass of '64 that says differently.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
I have no doubt that you had a great experience at the cave with a wine that has never been moved, but I think that is the exception. All wines tend towards an asymptotic point where they lose the individuality that we cherish.
Would you seriously recommend waiting 25 years to drink Lenoir?
Opened an 04 last night which is not in a particularly happy place right now IMO. Was closed down pretty hard.originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
No, but it's something special. 15 years is where it starts to get really interesting, for the good bottles.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I spent an hour and a half with a glass of '64 that says differently.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
I have no doubt that you had a great experience at the cave with a wine that has never been moved, but I think that is the exception. All wines tend towards an asymptotic point where they lose the individuality that we cherish.
Would you seriously recommend waiting 25 years to drink Lenoir?
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
That's my most recent experience as well. 03 and 01 are in a much better place.
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originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Would it be wasteful to open a 2007 Croix Boisée soon?
No. It is a good idea.
shows tonight like a playful, face licking, puppy dog. good call.
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by VLM:
I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Sweater full of rocks.
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by SFJoe:
That is funny. I can imagine in 20 years, with older vines, the case will be stronger. But for now, I quite agree with you. I like that taste.originally posted by VLM:
Funny thing is, Matthieu doesn't understand why we like the Grézeaux so much. He feels it is vastly inferior to Guillot. I find a lot of comfort in Grézeaux, like an old sweater.
Oh, and fuck hierarchies.
Ditto here. Not that I drink as much of them as either of you but there are very few wines I enjoy as much or as reliably as a Baudry Grezeaux.
Me too, but, skinflint that I am, I don't spring for the more spendy cuvees very often.
Mark Lipton
robert ames
robert ames
anyone dipped their toe in a 2005 grezeaux lately?
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I spent an hour and a half with a glass of '64 that says differently.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
And I learned the really good stuff takes about 50 years to come around. So it goes.
Really? By age 50 it's more likely to be generic old wine, or generic old franc at best.
I have no doubt that you had a great experience at the cave with a wine that has never been moved, but I think that is the exception. All wines tend towards an asymptotic point where they lose the individuality that we cherish.
He did say, "the really good stuff", So given that, and setting aside the exception aspect, couldn't it also be said that those cherished particulars eventually give way to something less specific but delicious simply as Wine. I sure do cherish those when they come along. Then it's just a sensuous vinous delight and the details no longer matter so much.
Would you seriously recommend waiting 25 years to drink Lenoir?
Having been fortunate enough to visit twice, courtesy of Guilhaume (and Cory), and try a whole bunch of vintages back to '67, I'd offer that, purely speaking in terms of whether that age would bring benefits not manifested sooner, I'd say yes, mostly. Luckily, one only need only wait 15-18 years due to the long élevage and late release. Not quite as serious.
originally posted by richard slicker:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Would it be wasteful to open a 2007 Croix Boisée soon?
No. It is a good idea.
shows tonight like a playful, face licking, puppy dog. good call.
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I printed this out for my scrapbook.