I wish I didn't buy so much 06 Cru B

originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Yixin:
Disagree, I liked the 2011s. Dad still guides.
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Dad may still guide, but they've definitely changed.
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I should visit again, then. I don't recall the son saying that he was changing anything.
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The current wines are not bad, but before the son came, they were always among my favorite, if not my favorite, Beaujolais -- going back a ways, as 1979 (special year for you) was the first vintage I recall tasting and I had every one since. Now, as I said, they're not bad, but the same magic isn't there - by a good measure.

You've always got to take what they say about change with a grain of salt. The worst is one of my longtime favorite domaines (not in the Beaujolais) where the son for well over a decade after he took over continued to make great wine in the style of his father, arguably even better than those of his father, but recent vintages have gone to hell (not coincidentally coinciding with great scores from a certain prominent reviewer and the fact that the son had previously (prior to the prominent reviewer's special enthusiasm) raised prices dramatically and yet the wines weren't selling as the had before).
 
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by slaton:
Down to just a couple of Coudert CT and one Desvignes Javernières. I am just about out of 07s and 08s as well.
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Now that seems premature.
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In the last few years I decided that for me most of the wines are never better than upon release, or perhaps in the 6-12 month range. Certainly the gang of four wines. I guess I'm on the VLM drinking schedule, although I still age Coudert.

There are a few other wines I'd probably agree improve with age, but I don't tend to buy them regularly. To name one that is mentioned frequently, I've not yet been convinced by Chamonard although if I see any of the '98 that was mentioned I would jump at the chance to taste an older example.
 
Count me among the camp that find that Thevenet is best on release, before the brett comes to the fore.
 
The stink can be there from the get go. I've never had an old one and am curious to see if any of the gang wines really transform, the way Coudert does, or just mellow gracefully.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
am curious to see if any of the gang wines really transform, the way Coudert does, or just mellow gracefully.
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Perhaps 'transform' vs. 'mellow gracefully' are two sides of subjective preferences?
 
originally posted by slaton:
Count me among the camp that find that Thevenet is best on release, before the brett comes to the fore.
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I don't usually drink them, but I find a few 2009s in inventory. I must have liked one at some point. Curious.

I'll have to open one soon.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by slaton:
Count me among the camp that find that Thevenet is best on release, before the brett comes to the fore.
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I don't usually drink them, but I find a few 2009s in inventory. I must have liked one at some point. Curious.

I'll have to open one soon.
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Post a note. I'm curious, too. I think that may have been my favorite '09 on release, though Thevenet, Breton, Foillard and Lapierre were all tops for me.
 
found another note on 06 which seems at its best now, domaine des moriers moulin-a-vent
 
There is no doubt gamay ages funny and can taste clumsy, blocky and even foxy after a few years but I have had good luck aging Coudert, Desvignes and Savoye. They drink great young, close down hard and then open up again after eight to 12 years. Regretfully I drank a lot of them in middle age thinking they were dying fast only to find they actually just wanted more time. A bottle of '98 Javernieres last month was out of this world, at once powerful and delicate with a silky texture and endless finish.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by slaton:
Count me among the camp that find that Thevenet is best on release, before the brett comes to the fore.
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I don't usually drink them, but I find a few 2009s in inventory. I must have liked one at some point. Curious.

I'll have to open one soon.
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Opened one in mid-October (the 09 Morgon VV) and loved the aromas, admired the comely EQ & gossamer mouthfeel, though it still had some of that 09 baby michelins to shed. But seemed like a keepah.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Cliff:
am curious to see if any of the gang wines really transform, the way Coudert does, or just mellow gracefully.
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Perhaps 'transform' vs. 'mellow gracefully' are two sides of subjective preferences?
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No doubt. For me, the biggest rewards have come from aging Coudert. I think my Desvignes will reward patience, too, but I haven't had any old enough to see yet.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Opened one in mid-October (the ý09 Morgon VV) and loved the aromas, admired the comely EQ & gossamer mouthfeel, though it still had some of that 09 baby michelins to shed. But seemed like a keepah.
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I think we need an intervention. Oswaldo's spelling and grammar are devolving.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Opened one in mid-October (the ý09 Morgon VV) and loved the aromas, admired the comely EQ & gossamer mouthfeel, though it still had some of that 09 baby michelins to shed. But seemed like a keepah.
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I think we need an intervention. Oswaldo's spelling and grammar are devolving.
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I'm going native.
 
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