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Apparently, we are Jihadis
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Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
It is actually even more bizarre than that. He never acknowledges that people have different tastes from his (that would be inconceivable) -- rather, his argument has always been (and this has been so consistent that it's not just careless word choice) that his ever-bloating enemies list gets the same pleasure and enjoyment from the wines he likes as he does, but hates them *because* they are against pleasure and enjoyment. It is as though the idea that they get pleasure and enjoyment from different things has never crossed his mind.originally posted by SFJoe:
I suppose the root of it is that he thinks his points are plugged into the Cosmic Signifier and anyone who has different taste is wrong.
There is some cognitive dissonance at work here: while he's busy ranting about the Forces of Evil arrayed against him and the Forces of Righteousness, he's also raving about meals in Spain (in the most recent issue of TWA that I recently saw) in which he drank Etxaniz Txakoli, Do Ferreiro Cepas Vellas and '62 Bosconia Reserva. Aren't at least a few of those AFWE wines?
Cornfuzzedly yours,
Mark Lipton
Cornfuzzedly yours,
Mark Lipton
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
He reminds me a bit of Bobby Fisher when he went off the rails. What's he so pissed about? Is this just what years on end of guzzling high-octane Rhones will do?
And he seems to think we're all Presbyterians over here.
And he seems to think we're all Presbyterians over here.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Technically speaking, no. His definitions obtain, always. So, if he likes the wine, then it's a good wine.originally posted by MLipton:
Aren't at least a few of those AFWE wines?
Matt Latuchie
Matt Latuchie
bob goes on to say,
"virtually every wine I review and drink is what I define as "natural"...and of course all serious wine critics are in favor of the least possible SO2 additions ....but a non-sulphured wine will spoil and very, very quickly...everyone one of them...of course if they are shipped in refrigerated reefers, and consumed within 6-12 months of arrival, many may still be sound, but they are going to oxidize and die....as long as the consumer knows that at the point of sale,and the chain of distribution is properly informed, than it is the old "assumption of risk" transparency...some of my favorite Rhone producers make a non-SO2 cuvee,but won't export it, and restrict sales to locals who will likely drink it within several hundred kilometers of the winery."
and then,
"just one example...the NO SO2 PEUR BLEU of La Gardine in Chateauneuf-du-Pape, which I generally adore,has the tasting note accompanied with a warning about the fragility of the wine. Every non-sulphured wine should come with an informational label,and an expiration date on it....name me a wine producer who will argue a non-sulphured wine will last/evolve/hold-up as well as the slightly sulphured cuvee?....modern oenology, for all its excesses,and risk-free wine-making formulas, has been very beneficial in getting SO2 levels drastically reduced in the last 20-25 years. As long as the consumer understands the risks upfront, intends to drink the wine ASAP, and the wine has not been spoiled already by inappropriate handling and storage, there is no problem..."
"virtually every wine I review and drink is what I define as "natural"...and of course all serious wine critics are in favor of the least possible SO2 additions ....but a non-sulphured wine will spoil and very, very quickly...everyone one of them...of course if they are shipped in refrigerated reefers, and consumed within 6-12 months of arrival, many may still be sound, but they are going to oxidize and die....as long as the consumer knows that at the point of sale,and the chain of distribution is properly informed, than it is the old "assumption of risk" transparency...some of my favorite Rhone producers make a non-SO2 cuvee,but won't export it, and restrict sales to locals who will likely drink it within several hundred kilometers of the winery."
and then,
"just one example...the NO SO2 PEUR BLEU of La Gardine in Chateauneuf-du-Pape, which I generally adore,has the tasting note accompanied with a warning about the fragility of the wine. Every non-sulphured wine should come with an informational label,and an expiration date on it....name me a wine producer who will argue a non-sulphured wine will last/evolve/hold-up as well as the slightly sulphured cuvee?....modern oenology, for all its excesses,and risk-free wine-making formulas, has been very beneficial in getting SO2 levels drastically reduced in the last 20-25 years. As long as the consumer understands the risks upfront, intends to drink the wine ASAP, and the wine has not been spoiled already by inappropriate handling and storage, there is no problem..."
He's talking about Texier, isn't he?originally posted by Matt Latuchie:
some of my favorite Rhone producers make a non-SO2 cuvee,but won't export it, and restrict sales to locals who will likely drink it within several hundred kilometers of the winery...
David Erickson
David Erickson
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Take her in for re-grooving.originally posted by Jay Miller:
"Please pull your seat over ma'am. Is that a Grateful Palate import you're drinking?"
"Why yes, I love Mollydooker Shiraz, it's one of my favorite..."
"I'm sorry ma'am. I'll have to confiscate that. You are enjoying it far too much. If I had less respect for the English language I'd charge you with drinking a hedonistic wine but for now I'll let you off with a warning and a glass of Chinon."
Wanna hear me rap?
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Oldie But Goldie City. Benway here.originally posted by David Erickson:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Take her in for re-grooving.
Wanna hear me rap?
Matt Latuchie
Matt Latuchie
originally posted by SFJoe:
It so interesting.
I take his taste as sincere. I'm sure he really likes the things he purports to. Why am I not allowed to like 2010 Baudry?
I suppose the root of it is that he thinks his points are plugged into the Cosmic Signifier and anyone who has different taste is wrong.
It's one of the oddest things about Parker. Taste is a right or wrong thing to him - he just doesn't seem to think of it as being subjective.
I think Claude put it nicely above calling it "anti-intellectualism".
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originally posted by Matt Latuchie:
It's one of the oddest things about Parker. Taste is a right or wrong thing to him - he just doesn't seem to think of it as being subjective.
not trying to be a dick, but that "flaw" earned him how much?
fb.
Mike Hinds
Mike Hinds
originally posted by Arno Tronche:
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
Obviously we are getting under his skin.
Ha ha! He's insecure.
The guy is totally insecure. He nees to tweet that points are still very important, that natural wines suck etc...
I somehow feel bad for him. He became such a caricature of himself it is not even funny anymore.
Did anyone listen to Levi's interview with Jean-Marie Fourrier? About what RP wrote about the Fourrier domaine in the 80s following an acrimonious disagreement with Fourrier's father over new oak? It sure seems like RP has long reacted with extreme hostility toward those he perceives as enemies.
Interestingly Levi said in a previous podcast that RP was in his experience often the nicest guy in the room. At least I think it was words to that effect. Maybe he's the Harvey Dent of the wine world...
originally posted by Mike Hinds:
Interestingly Levi said in a previous podcast that RP was in his experience often the nicest guy in the room. At least I think it was words to that effect. Maybe he's the Harvey Dent of the wine world...
I think there may be merit to this diagnosis.
Over on eBob, in the same thread that started with a copy of his Twitter comments (including the jihadist remark posted in the OP here), he posted the following:
age does bestow some valuable experiences and lessons....and 35 years of survival and success,and worldwide as well, isn't meant to be boasting or arrogant,just a fact...the common threads through it all:
1.do what you want,how you want, as well as you can,for as long as it is viable
2.remember that your integrity and beliefs are what got you started,what sustained you, and what comforts you
3.respect and embrace all serious points of view,don't waste time with the rest
4. never change or compromise your beliefs because of extremists
5. keep an open mind,but never bend your morals or principles for a short -term profit or current fad
6.think long-term,even if you are at the end of your term
7. stay focused on your key objectives-the appreciation of wine and wine education
8. avoid losers,baiters, negativists,exclusionistas,fashioni stas,and those with no sense of humor
9. have fun-we only have a one-way ticket-life is too short to deal with jerks and asswipes
10.take your craft or profession seriously...take yourself much less so,and no matter how many flattering comments you may receive,this is only ass-kissing sycophancy
11.remember-this trumps everything:what you do today and tomorrow is much more significant than what you did or accomplished yesterday
Apparently he feels that refering to some wine folks as "jihadists" and calling their ideas "useless" is respectful and indicative of an open mind.
originally posted by Bruce G.:
Over on eBob, in the same thread that started with a copy of his Twitter comments (including the jihadist remark posted in the OP here), he posted the following:
age does bestow some valuable experiences and lessons....and 35 years of survival and success,and worldwide as well, isn't meant to be boasting or arrogant,just a fact...the common threads through it all:
Noodle, bleak.
Survival as the first value.
Makes it hard to disagree if that's what you have to overcome in the discussion.
"well, we could disagree, but you'd have to die."
Aside from teh other shit.
Thanks for the insight, Bruce.
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
originally posted by Bruce G.:
originally posted by Mike Hinds:
Interestingly Levi said in a previous podcast that RP was in his experience often the nicest guy in the room. At least I think it was words to that effect. Maybe he's the Harvey Dent of the wine world...
I think there may be merit to this diagnosis.
Over on eBob, in the same thread that started with a copy of his Twitter comments (including the jihadist remark posted in the OP here), he posted the following:
age does bestow some valuable experiences and lessons....and 35 years of survival and success,and worldwide as well, isn't meant to be boasting or arrogant,just a fact...the common threads through it all:
1.do what you want,how you want, as well as you can,for as long as it is viable
2.remember that your integrity and beliefs are what got you started,what sustained you, and what comforts you
3.respect and embrace all serious points of view,don't waste time with the rest
4. never change or compromise your beliefs because of extremists
5. keep an open mind,but never bend your morals or principles for a short -term profit or current fad
6.think long-term,even if you are at the end of your term
7. stay focused on your key objectives-the appreciation of wine and wine education
8. avoid losers,baiters, negativists,exclusionistas,fashioni stas,and those with no sense of humor
9. have fun-we only have a one-way ticket-life is too short to deal with jerks and asswipes
10.take your craft or profession seriously...take yourself much less so,and no matter how many flattering comments you may receive,this is only ass-kissing sycophancy
11.remember-this trumps everything:what you do today and tomorrow is much more significant than what you did or accomplished yesterday
Apparently he feels that refering to some wine folks as "jihadists" and calling their ideas "useless" is respectful and indicative of an open mind.
Wow. It makes me imagine the tiny little part of Bob's mind that represents his self-awareness curled up against a wall in a fetal position, occasionally letting out a low, gentle moan.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Bruce G.:
originally posted by Mike Hinds:
Interestingly Levi said in a previous podcast that RP was in his experience often the nicest guy in the room. At least I think it was words to that effect. Maybe he's the Harvey Dent of the wine world...
I think there may be merit to this diagnosis.
Over on eBob, in the same thread that started with a copy of his Twitter comments (including the jihadist remark posted in the OP here), he posted the following:
age does bestow some valuable experiences and lessons....and 35 years of survival and success,and worldwide as well, isn't meant to be boasting or arrogant,just a fact...the common threads through it all:
1.do what you want,how you want, as well as you can,for as long as it is viable
2.remember that your integrity and beliefs are what got you started,what sustained you, and what comforts you
3.respect and embrace all serious points of view,don't waste time with the rest
4. never change or compromise your beliefs because of extremists
5. keep an open mind,but never bend your morals or principles for a short -term profit or current fad
6.think long-term,even if you are at the end of your term
7. stay focused on your key objectives-the appreciation of wine and wine education
8. avoid losers,baiters, negativists,exclusionistas,fashioni stas,and those with no sense of humor
9. have fun-we only have a one-way ticket-life is too short to deal with jerks and asswipes
10.take your craft or profession seriously...take yourself much less so,and no matter how many flattering comments you may receive,this is only ass-kissing sycophancy
11.remember-this trumps everything:what you do today and tomorrow is much more significant than what you did or accomplished yesterday
Apparently he feels that refering to some wine folks as "jihadists" and calling their ideas "useless" is respectful and indicative of an open mind.
Many of these are the beginnings of good directives, if he could really follow them. They go on a few words too long, showing that he can't follow them. 3, for instance, should just read "respect all points of view." 9 would be fine if it just said "have fun--life is short." Parker's Superego works fairly well and does keep him being genial in public. Alas his id has long taken over his ego.
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
Clearly this list indicates the man is considering a second career as an inspirational facebook meme generator. He just needs to match those with images of forest paths, children holding hands, dogs with old ladies, etc.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Bruce G.:
Apparently he feels that refering to some wine folks as "jihadists" and calling their ideas "useless" is respectful and indicative of an open mind.
Many of these are the beginnings of good directives, if he could really follow them. They go on a few words too long, showing that he can't follow them. 3, for instance, should just read "respect all points of view." 9 would be fine if it just said "have fun--life is short." Parker's Superego works fairly well and does keep him being genial in public. Alas his id has long taken over his ego.
Remind me again which is which?
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Bruce G.:
Apparently he feels that refering to some wine folks as "jihadists" and calling their ideas "useless" is respectful and indicative of an open mind.
Many of these are the beginnings of good directives, if he could really follow them. They go on a few words too long, showing that he can't follow them. 3, for instance, should just read "respect all points of view." 9 would be fine if it just said "have fun--life is short." Parker's Superego works fairly well and does keep him being genial in public. Alas his id has long taken over his ego.
Remind me again which is which?
The conscience, the awareness and the inner it that wants and wants and wants and never has.