'05 nahe?

[kirk wallace]

2005 Scafer-Frolich Monzinger Halenberg Spatlese in my glass is beautiful. Maybe a touch overripe, but plenty of balance and minerality. All yellow skinned ripe pears and wet stones. I haven't opened any '05s from Mosel or Nahe since release. Anybody have any recent impressions?

 

[Rahsaan]

Thanks for this. I bought a bunch of 05 Vollenweider WG Auslese and drank several around 2010-2011 that made me think the rest of the bottles should be forgotten about for a while. Not much minerality or definition to be found. Maybe just maybe I'll try again sooner rather than later, but what pradikat was your wine?

 

[Unknown]

Not a vintage I think of opening these days. Schaefer Domprobst Auslese was outstanding, but mostly academic at this point.

What is the 2005 Halenberg? GG Trocken or Spatlese?

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by .sasha:
Not a vintage I think of opening these days. Schaefer Domprobst Auslese was outstanding, but mostly academic at this point.

What is the 2005 Halenberg? GG Trocken or Spatlese?

Apologies. Spatlese. Edited now.

 

[Keith Levenberg]

The Schlossgut Diel Goldloch spatlese was one of my favorite wines of the vintage when it came out and it's still awesome. Hasn't budged much, but awesome.

Wish I'd bought Frohlich in '05, but didn't get into them until later.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by .sasha:
Not a vintage I think of opening these days. Schaefer Domprobst Auslese was outstanding, but mostly academic at this point.

What is the 2005 Halenberg? GG Trocken or Spatlese?

Apologies. Spatlese. Edited now.

so that brings up an interesting question.

It's pretty clear that the best grapes go into the GG these days. Was that already the case in 2005? If not, you are drinking that which no longer exists.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by .sasha:
Not a vintage I think of opening these days. Schaefer Domprobst Auslese was outstanding, but mostly academic at this point.

What is the 2005 Halenberg? GG Trocken or Spatlese?

Apologies. Spatlese. Edited now.

so that brings up an interesting question.

It's pretty clear that the best grapes go into the GG these days. Was that already the case in 2005? If not, you are drinking that which no longer exists.

Fair, and interesting question. I don't know. Maybe Yixin or Claude do.

Speaking of GG in the Nahe, I wonder if that is also true now for Donnhoff; I did think the '09 GG Delchen was gorgeous when released, but I had hoped it wasn't to the detriment of the Delchen spatlese, which i have not opened since release.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by kirk wallace:

Speaking of GG in the Nahe, I wonder if that is also true now for Donnhoff; I did think the '09 GG Delchen was gorgeous when released, but I had hoped it wasn't to the detriment of the Delchen spatlese, which i have not opened since release.

Tasted 12s at Helmut's. The off-dry wines are superb, but the best material clearly goes into the GGs. Not mutually exclusive concepts, just something to keep in mind.

 

[Yixin]

I don't know the S-F wines well, so can't comment on them, but for the Mosel VDP producers I know, my understanding is that they are looking for different types of ripe grapes for GG and their Spät/Aus bottlings. As one of the most thoughtful ones put it, making an Auslese trocken and then calling it GG isn't sensible.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Yixin:
I don't know the S-F wines well, so can't comment on them, but for the Mosel VDP producers I know, my understanding is that they are looking for different types of ripe grapes for GG and their Spät/Aus bottlings. As one of the most thoughtful ones put it, making an Auslese trocken and then calling it GG isn't sensible.

That is good to hear. Makes a tremendous amount of sense. Thanks.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by Yixin:
I don't know the S-F wines well, so can't comment on them, but for the Mosel VDP producers I know, my understanding is that they are looking for different types of ripe grapes for GG and their Spät/Aus bottlings. As one of the most thoughtful ones put it, making an Auslese trocken and then calling it GG isn't sensible.

That is good to hear. Makes a tremendous amount of sense. Thanks.

I've not noticed any "could have, should have" when tasting Spatlesen/Auslesen in the Mosel.

And the grapes are different enough in Nahe vs Mosel to begin with, to a point where I am not sure the overlap between ideal Spatlesen and GGs isn't different either.