Horrible news. Hail devastates Vouvray.

We talked about something similiar last year with one of our vignerons, and I know another person who tried to help their Beaujolais producer out, but like Yixin said, the tax implications are a hurdle so substantial that it's best just to buy the wine.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Don Rice:
Even subtracting X% taxes that's still (100-X)% net to the vigneron that can be directly put to use. Worth looking into. I'd like to do more than just buy the wine (but of course I will do that too).
Someone could mule him the cash, of course.

Yeah, I've made paypal payments to vignerons without tax problems.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I would personally overpay for old vintages, one traditional form of savings in the region.

Oh definitely. I can think of at least one wallet happily lightened by recent Olga Raffault library releases.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I would personally overpay for old vintages, one traditional form of savings in the region.

I used to bug Joe about this all the time with no real luck. Aside from the '89, can you recall any older vintage release in this market from Pinon since the late '90s?
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I would personally overpay for old vintages, one traditional form of savings in the region.

I used to bug Joe about this all the time with no real luck. Aside from the '89, can you recall any older vintage release in this market from Pinon since the late '90s?

I thought there was a 64 at CSW.
 
I would love to "overpay" for some of his library releases, and am running low on 1997 Tradition. One thought could be to see if LDM could request preorders from the retailers through the distributors, with each tier taking lower markups since the wines are already "sold" and they won't have the financial burden of sitting on unsold stock. Price them at retail at the level they would be if each tier charged full markups, or with a reasonable premium over that, and more money gets into Pinon's hands without requiring too much sacrifice at any level.

I suspect that many of the LDM retail outlets are similar to Le Caveau in Atlanta, CSW, and Cave Taureau that have strong relationships with their customers and whose customers feel like we have a relationship with producers like Pinon even though we may not have met them, which makes this more feasible than it would be for more commodity brands. I'm willing to pay a premium to help producers I love, particularly when the wines are such great values at their normal pricing, but I'd like to know that the premium is for the producer's benefit. I don't expect the importer, distributor, or retailer to lose money on the deal, but if I'm paying a premium to help the producer, I don't want a huge part of the premium getting stripped off at those levels for full markups either.
 
Someone posted this news report on the thread I started on Wine Berserkers and said that Pinon was not insured. My French isn't good enough to make much out of this, so if anyone wants to offer a summary, I'm sure a bunch of us would be much obliged.

Pinon in the news.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Don Rice:
Even subtracting X% taxes that's still (100-X)% net to the vigneron that can be directly put to use. Worth looking into. I'd like to do more than just buy the wine (but of course I will do that too).
Someone could mule him the cash, of course.

Yeah, I've made paypal payments to vignerons without tax problems.
I guess the whole bitcoin dodge is looking a bit tricky right now.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Someone posted this news report on the thread I started on Wine Berserkers and said that Pinon was not insured. My French isn't good enough to make much out of this, so if anyone wants to offer a summary, I'm sure a bunch of us would be much obliged.

Pinon in the news.

Many thanks to Pascaline Lepeltier, who was kind enough to offer this translation:

"everything is destroyed, cut, broken and when there is something, it is broken" within 20 min, hail damaged everything. Francois Pinon lost 100% of his harvest in his 6 ha plot. For him, it is very hard, because he was hoping to compensate with the 2013 harvest the small crop of 2012, reduced by the frost. "you cant see anything left, you cant see any cluster, and if you see one, it is upside down, it is like that, broken, the bud is broken". The day after, the winegrowers need to use sulfates to protect the plants and the vines for next year. The syndicate of Vouvray growers had a "crisis meeting" today to assess the loss, with at least 2/3 of the appellation touched. Another meeting happened also on monday night at the Prefecture, to find some solution to help out. " We need to see how we can help the winemakers, knowing that the "indemnites agricoles" (agriculture compensation from the government) dont exist anymore because the vignerons can have an insurance. but now we may need to consider it differently... Banks will be at the meeting too, and we may have to think about extending the length of the mortgages" - F.PINON : "i dont have any insurance, because until now we never had hails of that strength, destroying all the vineyards" - the 2013 is gonna be extremely diminished, 80% of the AOP being damaged by the hail. Vignerons are gonna meet with members of the government to try to find a solution for those of them without insurance."
 
22 octobre 2012 fin de vendange.
Lot's to see here, the picking team and many family members. Francois lower right.

pinon_harvest_2012red.jpg
 
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