Trollat

I had a great bottle of that with Joe Dressner many years ago at Veritas. He spotted it on the list and wanted it. I said, "No way do I pay ($150? was it?) for St. Joseph. You buy it." And he did, and it was really wonderful.

But that was a good while ago. I imagine it's still a worthy wine, but I don't think Trollat was making wine to go 30 years.
 
Wow, $700 + 15% for two bottles of '89 Trollat.

I have to admit - had the '79 twice in the last year and it's an amazing wine...

-mark
 
Merde... I used to pay 16 francs in the '80s. Less than any good Morgon.
Saint Jo was poured as a table wine in "pot". So were Trollat's in Lyon.
 
originally posted by Brézème:
Saint Jo was poured as a table wine in "pot". So were Trollat's in Lyon.
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If one could get Trollat by the pitcher then that explains why France had a strong popular wine culture.
 
Curious that some bottles of 1982 Gentaz sold for less (albeit $620 plus commission).

I've never had Trollat and bid $215, which I thought was ridiculous.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I had a great bottle of that with Joe Dressner many years ago at Veritas. He spotted it on the list and wanted it. I said, "No way do I pay ($150? was it?) for St. Joseph. You buy it." And he did, and it was really wonderful.

But that was a good while ago. I imagine it's still a worthy wine, but I don't think Trollat was making wine to go 30 years.
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in fairness, much as i loved him, joe was as faddish as we all are. raveneau is a case in point.

trollat made good, honest wine in a context where there was a ton of lazy bullshit. the wines were nice, as were those of a lot of other honest dudes, many of whom did business with robin yapp in the years before darth pointer.

in the intervening years, in a region trashed with pointy pointlessness, it would appear that dudes like trollat and gentaz have become more and more fetishized, until it has now reached the point of insanity.

which is to say, none of us are immune, but seriously, wtf?

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originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Curious that some bottles of 1982 Gentaz sold for less (albeit $620 plus commission).

I've never had Trollat and bid $215, which I thought was ridiculous.
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You were surely correct.

I don't want to insist too much on the rationality of these two prices, but I think of '82s as being ripe but not for the ages in the northern Rhone. Someone who has tried the wine could of course correct me.

'89 Trollat is probably still good wine, but the successful bidder should probably drink up.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I had a great bottle of that with Joe Dressner many years ago at Veritas. He spotted it on the list and wanted it. I said, "No way do I pay ($150? was it?) for St. Joseph. You buy it." And he did, and it was really wonderful.

But that was a good while ago. I imagine it's still a worthy wine, but I don't think Trollat was making wine to go 30 years.
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in fairness, much as i loved him, joe was as faddish as we all are. raveneau is a case in point.

trollat made good, honest wine in a context where there was a ton of lazy bullshit. the wines were nice, as were those of a lot of other honest dudes, many of whom did business with robin yapp in the years before darth pointer.

in the intervening years, in a region trashed with pointy pointlessness, it would appear that dudes like trollat and gentaz have become more and more fetishized, until it has now reached the point of insanity.

which is to say, none of us are immune, but seriously, wtf?

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dude, I made him pay. I was totally prepared to buy him as many glasses of tete de cuvee Chateauneuf as he wanted.

But the wine was almost a good value on the list.

I can't defend $800 or what have you for the wines. It's really a question of how much you pay to eat the last ortolan, or the last passenger pigeon.

You may easily say, "In 'Buffalo .Sasha's' day, we used to grill passenger pigeons by the dozen every night, accompanied by Georgian wine and hearty songs. We paid for them with dirt."

But then the day comes when the guy with the last passenger pigeon in a cage puts it up to bid, and the price is higher. People want to share that whole romantic fb/B.S experience of which they have heard so much in song and story. And this is their last chance.
 
uh. steady, tiger: the" wtf?" was a comment on the current tariff, and in the context of dubiously sourced bottles, the current relevance.

what was whimsical once is now fucking insane.

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originally posted by SFJoe:
People want to share that whole romantic fb/B.S experience of which they have heard so much in song and story. And this is their last chance.
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it was eric's story. take it up with him.

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originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by SFJoe:
People want to share that whole romantic fb/B.S experience of which they have heard so much in song and story. And this is their last chance.
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it was eric's story. take it up with him.

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Shit, I'll bring a pitcher to the successful bidder's house and help him splash it in.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Shit, I'll bring a pitcher to the successful bidder's house and help him splash it in.
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It had better be a solid gold ewer, for that is how the winner will treat it.
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Hmmm. Maybe a vessel from a large bone of an almost-extinct whale?
 
Trollat was very good, but among domaines that no longer exist and that people bid up, he was nowhere near Gentaz or Jayer or Verset (or Chauvet, but those wines probably don't exist any more, unless maybe Brézème has a stash). In fact, he wasn't even the very best Saint-Joseph (although he was far better than 99+% around).
 
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