Trollat

The price all the more stunning given just how many crap bottles show up on WB. I finished with them a while back. Way too many bottles with dried out corks or heat damage.
 
originally posted by Tristan Welles:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Might be a good idea to start hoarding Juge.
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Truchot. I have a case of the '04 Sentiers and intend to use your tasting note when pimping it.
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The prices for Truchot have already gone through the roof. Juge's still out there at prices that don't melt down a credit card.
 
The solution is simple - trick Eric into drinking some really spoofy CA syrah. He'll be so horrified that he'll retire from winemaking after refusing to have anything to do with the grape ever again and our stocks of Texier will triple in value overnight.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Trollat was very good, but among domaines that no longer exist and that people bid up, he was nowhere near Gentaz or Jayer or Verset (or Chauvet, but those wines probably don't exist any more, unless maybe Brézème has a stash). In fact, he wasn't even the very best Saint-Joseph (although he was far better than 99+% around).
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I'm going to wait another few months and then probably start selling my Verset. I love the wines, but I don't $500 love them. I guess I just have a threshold for this kind of thing.
 
originally posted by fatboy:

in the intervening years, in a region trashed with pointy pointlessness, it would appear that dudes like trollat and gentaz have become more and more fetishized, until it has now reached the point of insanity.

which is to say, none of us are immune, but seriously, wtf?

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I'm with you here. The wines were good, very good, but not so remarkable that you can't have a full life without drinking them.

That goes for Gentaz as well, whose wines are a bit more singular and interesting, but the current price is way out of whack.

Honestly, for that money, you could get a magnum of 1974 Heitz Martha's.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
The prices for Truchot have already gone through the roof. Juge's still out there at prices that don't melt down a credit card.
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Quintarelli recently passed, too.
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Those prices have been nuts for a while, IMO.
 
I don't follow auction prices for wines too much but did Dagueneau wines have a big upswing when he passed? I'm guessing not becaus of the variety he worked with.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
The prices for Truchot have already gone through the roof. Juge's still out there at prices that don't melt down a credit card.
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Quintarelli recently passed, too.
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So it's only wines from retired/passed German winemakers that are immune to absurd price increases on the secondary market? Whew.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
I don't follow auction prices for wines too much but did Dagueneau wines have a big upswing when he passed? I'm guessing not becaus of the variety he worked with.
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When guys like Verset, Trollat and Gentaz stopped making wine, it was pretty much the end of that style from those vines (and sometimes in those towns). There is more continuity at Dagueneau.
 
Also, Dagueneau's winemaking went through a period of low SO2, ripe, low-acid wines that led to dodgy aging. People might be discouraged by wines from that era (I stopped buying them at the time).
 
One difference with Trollat, Gentaz, and Verset vs. others is that their wines were all folded in with other grapes from their successors, so they've been more or less lost (not that some of the successors, especially one in Mauves, aren't doing a great job).

Kermit did ask Rostaing to bottle a cuvée Marius Gentaz from Gentaz's vines, but Rostaing refused. I did some years ago taste Rostaing's wine from Gentaz's grapes from cask and before it was blended with the rest; it was quite special.

Fortunately, Marius Chambeyron's grapes continued unblended and with same methods, just under a different name [add on edit -- I believe that the successor has over the years taken on some vines, but no change]. But no one today knows who Marius Chambeyron was.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
I don't follow auction prices for wines too much but did Dagueneau wines have a big upswing when he passed? I'm guessing not becaus of the variety he worked with.
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When guys like Verset, Trollat and Gentaz stopped making wine, it was pretty much the end of that style from those vines (and sometimes in those towns). There is more continuity at Dagueneau.
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Gotcha. Thanks.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

Fortunately, Marius Chambeyron's grapes continued unblended and with same methods, just under a different name [add on edit -- I believe that the successor has over the years taken on some vines, but no change]. But no one today knows who Marius Chambeyron was.
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Cote Rotie you can buy today for under $60. Mustn't be good anymore.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by fatboy:

which is to say, none of us are immune, but seriously, wtf?
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I'm with you here. The wines were good, very good, but not so remarkable that you can't have a full life without drinking them.
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the older and weirder i get, the more i think that about everything. there's a blatant contradiction in there, i know, but, hey.
That goes for Gentaz as well, whose wines are a bit more singular and interesting, but the current price is way out of whack.
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is the point, no? gentaz was a genius. i am glad to have been lucky enough to have been able to appreciate his genius in context when i was able to buy that shit at prices that were, while less than what teh shit "deserved," certainly reflective of its quality at the time.

i hope that the reason most folks post to this bored is that they want to drink "gentaz," rather than "GENTAZ." and, without coming over all buddha on the conversation (because i'm a flabbist, and i despise teh slim fashionistas), the point is, you won't and can't learn who that is now -- for you -- from other folks (albeit that they can help you shape your own tastes); i live in hope that this is why most folks live teh disorderly livez.
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Honestly, for that money, you could get a magnum of 1974 Heitz Martha's.
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i guess.

or some good wine and food. or acid. or whatever.

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originally posted by fatboy:

i hope that the reason most folks post to this bored is that they want to drink "gentaz," rather than "GENTAZ." and, without coming over all buddha on the conversation (because i'm a flabbist, and i despise teh slim fashionistas), the point is, you won't and can't learn who that is now -- for you -- from other folks
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But Pete Creasey has really enlightened me, wine-wise. It is almost as though he revealed my personal "gentaz".
 
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