Trollat

originally posted by Michael Lewis:


But Pete Creasey has really enlightened me, wine-wise. It is almost as though he revealed my personal "gentaz".

i thought it was an open secret that to visit teh fatcave or teh .datcha is to luxuriate in teh best of teh petester selections.

oddly, joe holds out. i fear that the whole tribeca / sf thing has clouded his mind as to teh shining path...

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originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:


But Pete Creasey has really enlightened me, wine-wise. It is almost as though he revealed my personal "gentaz".

i thought it was an open secret that to visit teh fatcave or teh .datcha is to luxuriate in teh best of teh petester selections.

oddly, joe holds out. i fear that the whole tribeca / sf thing has clouded his mind as to teh shining path...

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Don't tell the Republicans that living in Tribeca and SF makes one less likely to become a Maoist Peruvian guerrilla . . .
 
Gawd, I must live in a twisted subculture when I am one of four different (I think) people to seize upon the Sendero Luminoso reference when reading those comments.

Never mind.
Mark Lipton
 
This just pulls all of the fun out of it. I love finding weird old French Syrahs from the back corners of the Rhone, and really they're all pretty fun, more or less. Hope that continues.
 
And now Asimov piles on...

Progress came at a cost. “We learned to make wine but forgot how to cultivate,” he said. “Mechanization and herbicides replaced hoeing, plowing and hand work.” Mr. Trollat was not immune from the lure of progress. He used herbicides, although he never stopped working the land by hand. His wines were pure, rustic, soulful exemplars of St.-Joseph.
 
Mechanisation isn't an option for many of the best vineyards in St-Joseph. Maybe for the griffage, but even then, if you've terraced in the old style, forget about it.
 
originally posted by Ross Massey:
And now Asimov piles on...

Progress came at a cost. “We learned to make wine but forgot how to cultivate,” he said. “Mechanization and herbicides replaced hoeing, plowing and hand work.” Mr. Trollat was not immune from the lure of progress. He used herbicides, although he never stopped working the land by hand. His wines were pure, rustic, soulful exemplars of St.-Joseph.

That was a good article, though no stunning changes to my perspective.

Did he really get a chance to interview Trollat? I had heard from indirect sources that I thought might be authoritative that he was in pretty tough shape.
 
I'd be interested in what Eric has to say, but all this re-claiming of historic vineyard sites is all well and good, but if they're suing new clonal material there may not be much of a point.
 
originally posted by VLM:
I'd be interested in what Eric has to say, but all this re-claiming of historic vineyard sites is all well and good, but if they're suing new clonal material there may not be much of a point.
You are quite right. I wonder what the answer is?
 
The good producers are all using massale. And you are right, simply rebuilding terraces is not enough. One of the coops has rebuilt terraces very wide and planted at a very low density to permit mechanical work.

By the way, Joe, Trollat seemed to be sharp and in very good shape.
 
originally posted by Eric Asimov:
The good producers are all using massale. And you are right, simply rebuilding terraces is not enough. One of the coops has rebuilt terraces very wide and planted at a very low density to permit mechanical work.

By the way, Joe, Trollat seemed to be sharp and in very good shape.

That is all great to hear, Eric, thanks much. Well, except for the part about the coop.
 
originally posted by Ross Massey:
And now Asimov piles on...

Progress came at a cost. “We learned to make wine but forgot how to cultivate,” he said. “Mechanization and herbicides replaced hoeing, plowing and hand work.” Mr. Trollat was not immune from the lure of progress. He used herbicides, although he never stopped working the land by hand. His wines were pure, rustic, soulful exemplars of St.-Joseph.

Geez, and here I thought Eric was now writing for the travel section and had gone to nw Missouri to visit my hometown (to which i had to shop wine when i went to my high school reunion in June).
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Ross Massey:
And now Asimov piles on...

Progress came at a cost. “We learned to make wine but forgot how to cultivate,” he said. “Mechanization and herbicides replaced hoeing, plowing and hand work.” Mr. Trollat was not immune from the lure of progress. He used herbicides, although he never stopped working the land by hand. His wines were pure, rustic, soulful exemplars of St.-Joseph.

Geez, and here I thought Eric was now writing for the travel section and had gone to nw Missouri to visit my hometown (to which i had to shop wine when i went to my high school reunion in June).

Don't worry, Maureen, we've always thought of you as the 'pure, rustic, soulful exemplar of St.-Joseph.'
 
And i shipped huet! Which was greatly enjoyed by the same people with whom i used to drink pagan pink ripple and 3.2 Coors (surely the worst beer on the planet).
 
Not only are the good producers using massale, but Clusel-Roch started a nursery some time ago to preserve the best vegetal material in the Northern Rhône, rather like what DRC is doing in the Côte d'Or (and I think Clusel-Roch may predate DRC in this effort).
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Not only are the good producers using massale, but Clusel-Roch started a nursery some time ago to preserve the best vegetal material in the Northern Rhône, rather like what DRC is doing in the Côte d'Or (and I think Clusel-Roch may predate DRC in this effort).

matériel végétal? I'm guessing you mean budwood.
 
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