A subset of wines at Brad's to celebrate a visitation from the LL

originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is an oxidized 17-year-old wine really pre-maturely so, even a CFE?
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Sure, when you compare to good vintages from the '70s and '80s now.
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or a great bottle of the 1996, whenever one turns up
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is an oxidized 17-year-old wine really pre-maturely so, even a CFE? Sorry for your pain, though happy I finished my 96s a couple of years ago.

The wine-aging fetish, in Nathan's happy phrase, may find its ultimate destiny in the dustbin of history, at least where white wine is concerned.
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I don't follow. Whites don't age?? Or am I misunderstanding you?
 
originally posted by VLM:

Not every vintage of CFE is destined for the long haul, and how many really improve more than 17 years? I don't have interest in aging every vintage of Briords either.
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These days, I buy and age none of them. It's too scary. You might as well try to age Meursault.

But I had hopes for several vintages in the late '90s and early '00s.

Not to speak of premoxed CSH, a true catastrophe.

And of course it is often the off vintages with some age that turn out to be great, as with so many wines.
 
Sherry and sous voile Jura whites have been aging just fine for me! Of course, "ageworthy" white burgs and CSH were basically too expensive by the time I would have thought to cellar them. So perhaps I am lucky.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Is an oxidized 17-year-old wine really pre-maturely so, even a CFE? Sorry for your pain, though happy I finished my 96s a couple of years ago.

The wine-aging fetish, in Nathan's happy phrase, may find its ultimate destiny in the dustbin of history, at least where white wine is concerned.
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I don't follow. Whites don't age?? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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Seems straightforward in the context - if a bit flowery. PM me if you really want me to explain.

Cheers.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
I've found quite a few 2000s to be problematic as well. Have had some remarkably good bottles of the '00 Pinot Gris Hommage a Jeanne, and some that were horribly oxidized.
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The first bottle out of the 4 I bought just recently from the K&L blow-out sale was stellar. I also purchased my 750s of '01 CFE from them at release, but haven't opened one yet.
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Larry, I suggest you get into those '01s soon. I bought from the same source and 2/2 bottles so far have been moderately oxidized.
 
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
I've found quite a few 2000s to be problematic as well. Have had some remarkably good bottles of the '00 Pinot Gris Hommage a Jeanne, and some that were horribly oxidized.
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The first bottle out of the 4 I bought just recently from the K&L blow-out sale was stellar. I also purchased my 750s of '01 CFE from them at release, but haven't opened one yet.
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Larry, I suggest you get into those '01s soon. I bought from the same source and 2/2 bottles so far have been moderately oxidized.
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Thanks. I'll make sure to check one out soon.
 
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
I've found quite a few 2000s to be problematic as well. Have had some remarkably good bottles of the '00 Pinot Gris Hommage a Jeanne, and some that were horribly oxidized.
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The first bottle out of the 4 I bought just recently from the K&L blow-out sale was stellar. I also purchased my 750s of '01 CFE from them at release, but haven't opened one yet.
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Larry, I suggest you get into those '01s soon. I bought from the same source and 2/2 bottles so far have been moderately oxidized.
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Yes, they can be. But an additional frustrating thing is that when you open a perfect bottle ( thinking you'd drink the wines sooner than later due to potential premox ), it can be brutally young.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

The 90 Lauer Sekt is incredible.
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If I recall the comments correctly, you would've been its only champion.
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Pretty much. Given some fantastic Lauers I've had it was exciting to see this. Much less so to drink.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
But an additional frustrating thing is that when you open a perfect bottle ( thinking you'd drink the wines sooner than later due to potential premox ), it can be brutally young.
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Youth is wasted on the brutal.
 
I'll be risking a 1998 CSH at The Bar Room at the Modern this Sunday. Fingers crossed.

I can always order off the list if it doesn't work out.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
I've found quite a few 2000s to be problematic as well. Have had some remarkably good bottles of the '00 Pinot Gris Hommage a Jeanne, and some that were horribly oxidized.
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The first bottle out of the 4 I bought just recently from the K&L blow-out sale was stellar. I also purchased my 750s of '01 CFE from them at release, but haven't opened one yet.
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Larry, I suggest you get into those '01s soon. I bought from the same source and 2/2 bottles so far have been moderately oxidized.
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Yes, they can be. But an additional frustrating thing is that when you open a perfect bottle ( thinking you'd drink the wines sooner than later due to potential premox ), it can be brutally young.
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The wine equivalent of padron peppers.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I'll be risking a 1998 CSH at The Bar Room at the Modern this Sunday. Fingers crossed.

I can always order off the list if it doesn't work out.
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Please report back on how it goes. Are they still doing the Sunday night no corkage for up to two bottles thing?
 
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