Bill Averett
Bill Averett
Interesting anyway. I figure I will drink one this holiday season.
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Ribolla Gialla "Anfora" Josko Gravner 2001
- Thread starter Scott Kraft
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originally posted by Jack Everitt:
originally posted by Scott Kraft:
Ribolla Gialla "Anfora" Josko Gravner 2001The wine is totally oxidized. Most expensive sherry I've ever bought.
Unless you had a flawed bottle, it's not this. Yes, it has oxidative notes, but it's certainly not totally oxidized; you wouldn't drink such a wine. Yes, it makes you think of sherry, but it's not that sherry-like.
But welcome to the world of Orange wines. I've found the 2001 Gravner Ribollas need a good deal more time to really shine, unlike the 1999 and 2000.
I'm not sure I agree with that. I think these wines are for drinking. What exactly do you get out of more age?
At the Dressner trade tasting, I found most of the old Radikons to be of little interest.
Personally, I buy them to have around, not to cellar.
originally posted by SFJoe:
I've pretty much guzzled my 2003 Jakots, but I wouldn't argue if you wanted to try keeping some.
More or less my take as well.
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIW, the 2002 Gravner, RG Anfora, shows only the slightest hint of oxidation although it certainly looks like it is. 'Had it a couple times recently.
Best, Jim
I had one of those with you.
It didn't seem terribly oxidized, but it didn't seem very full of vigor either. I may even have preferred it a bit younger. Have you been following it for a while?
What exactly do you get out of more age?
My experience is pretty much limited to that day at Radikon plus a very occasional bottle here and there, but the complexity of the older wines has been obvious in comparison to the younger wines.
Ignacio Villalgordo
Ignacio Villalgordo
Not very familiar with Gravner, but the few i have tasted have always been horribly oxidized wines and not to my taste
originally posted by Thor:
What exactly do you get out of more age?
My experience is pretty much limited to that day at Radikon plus a very occasional bottle here and there, but the complexity of the older wines has been obvious in comparison to the younger wines.
I couldn't say that my experience has been the same. However, like you, my sample size is not large enough that I am willing to make a claim on the population value.
If I was asked for a heuristic, I would consume mine within ~5 years of release (that's release, not vintage).
Scott Kraft
Scott Kraft
Has the vinification remained the same on these? I seem to remember some changes here and there.
For Radikon? Joe or Kevin could correct me (and so, probably, could others), but my impression sort of half-understanding him was that it has, but more in a gradual, developmental way, rather than a "let's change everything" Graveresque fashion. But I may have misunderstood. In fact, it's likely.
It's interesting to me how a post on a Gravner ended up as a discussion of Radikon.
It's interesting to me how a post on a Gravner ended up as a discussion of Radikon.
Bill Averett
Bill Averett
My bad, but thanks for all of the good info. It's funny how threads here veer off subject. I'm getting used to it.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by VLM:
At the Dressner trade tasting, I found most of the old Radikons to be of little interest.
Personally, I buy them to have around, not to cellar.
I profoundly disagree.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
At the Dressner trade tasting, I found most of the old Radikons to be of little interest.
Personally, I buy them to have around, not to cellar.
I profoundly disagree.
OK, to put it in a context where we tasted the same wines, which of the older wines did you find so appealing? Certainly, I didn't find any of them more appealing than their younger counterparts, maybe with the exception of the Oslavje Riserva. The Ribolla Gialla Riserva did not show well at all IMO.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
My notes tell a different tale. Both the Radikon Ribolla Gialla Riserva Ivana 1997 and the Radikon Merlot 2000 were indicated as very wonderful, and a refutation to my own personal concerns up until that point that the wines might not age well (that at least the whites might not). LDM laid it out and I was shown to be wrong, in my own opinion.
Perhaps we had different bottles of the Ivana. I really liked it. But I mean, different strokes and all.
Perhaps we had different bottles of the Ivana. I really liked it. But I mean, different strokes and all.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
Yours trumped the other?originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Perhaps we had different bottles of the Ivana.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
My notes tell a different tale. Both the Radikon Ribolla Gialla Riserva Ivana 1997 and the Radikon Merlot 2000 were indicated as very wonderful, and a refutation to my own personal concerns up until that point that the wines might not age well (that at least the whites might not). LDM laid it out and I was shown to be wrong, in my own opinion.
Perhaps we had different bottles of the Ivana. I really liked it. But I mean, different strokes and all.
Oh, I liked the merlot.
I was talking about the Orange wines.
I found the 1997 Ribolla Gialla dull. Not dead, but not as interesting as the 2001.