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[georg lauer]

OK, somebody needs to ask the stupid questions:

At what point/age is premox just ox?
It is obvious that CSH can easily make it for 15 years, but is it not also normal that not all bottles will make it?

 

[Keith Levenberg]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Claude Kolm:
I think (1) Chevillon's wines need a long time from most vintages, and (2) most 1999s are not in a good place right now.

I disagree. I think of all the serious Nuits producers, Chevillons are the most approachable young, especially the Cailles.

I think both statements are correct. Chevillon is always extremely smooth and drinkable young, a very friendly style, but they do have a structure that comes from out of nowhere after a few years and once they close up, they *really* close up and need awhile to come out of it.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by georg lauer:
OK, somebody needs to ask the stupid questions:

At what point/age is premox just ox?
It is obvious that CSH can easily make it for 15 years, but is it not also normal that not all bottles will make it?

You could probably answer this for yourself, but say:

Wines dying in a fraction of their normal lives without mistreatment.

Wines showing a particular caramel flavor that is not what they get when they are cooked.

Wines with apparently sound corks showing drastically different from the same case.

Stuff like that.

CSH didn't used to "make it" for 15 years, it used to just be warming up then in a good vintage. Zero bottles would be shot, not the 2/3 in our anecdotal sample of this thread.