WineCare in the NYT

Hard to work up much concern, but I do think the judge's rule is crazy. Why wouldn't owners paying rent to store something have a right to check on their belongings? Of course, the Times story may not be the whole story.
 
Also, if you were breaking thousands of bottles as you carried them up or down the stairs, don't you think you'd pause after you broke the first few hundred?
 
It *is* kind of special that they are still charging them a monthly fee to hold their wine hostage.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Hard to work up much concern, but I do think the judge's rule is crazy. Why wouldn't owners paying rent to store something have a right to check on their belongings? Of course, the Times story may not be the whole story.
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If all of your wine had been inaccessible for nearly a year without you knowing whether you would ever get it back while you continue to pay for storage wouldn't you be feeling a little anxious?
 
As I said, I think the judge's rule is crazy. You may be all responding to my introductory remark that it's hard to work up much concern. Given what Sandy did, given the problems in the world, the problems of luxury wines are...well...a luxury. I say this including my own wine collection, even though it is hardly stratispheric in value and even though I would find it personally, deeply painful if it were all lost. There is such a thing as perspective.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg: Given what Sandy did, given the problems in the world, the problems of luxury wines are...well...a luxury. I say this including my own wine collection, even though it is hardly stratispheric in value and even though I would find it personally, deeply painful if it were all lost. There is such a thing as perspective.
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Yes, but it is property and no more frivolous than lots of the other property lost in the storm. Sure, having a place to live and an ability to earn a livelihood is key, but there was lots of 'sentimental' damage from the storm that got people all worked up in the media, and this seems right in line with that.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I moved 1,200 bottles out of Winecare a few months before the storm - feel like I dodged quite a bullet.
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Levenberg, you cheatin' slut!

And to think I gave you a locker. And a good one at that.

Damn.

I know this is how it is with you wine collectors. But it still hurts.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg: Given what Sandy did, given the problems in the world, the problems of luxury wines are...well...a luxury. I say this including my own wine collection, even though it is hardly stratispheric in value and even though I would find it personally, deeply painful if it were all lost. There is such a thing as perspective.
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Yes, but it is property and no more frivolous than lots of the other property lost in the storm. Sure, having a place to live and an ability to earn a livelihood is key, but there was lots of 'sentimental' damage from the storm that got people all worked up in the media, and this seems right in line with that.
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We must have read different things. Mostly I heard about lost homes and dislocated lives. I missed the stories about the devastating loss of rare civil war stamp collections and shards of broken Wedgewood china.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I missed the stories about the devastating loss of rare civil war stamp collections and shards of broken Wedgewood china.
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I don't know how popular those pastimes are on the Jersey Shore.

But there's a lot of other sentimentality for a way of life that may not return, despite the fact that areas are being rebuilt.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I missed the stories about the devastating loss of rare civil war stamp collections and shards of broken Wedgewood china.
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I don't know how popular those pastimes are on the Jersey Shore.

But there's a lot of other sentimentality for a way of life that may not return, despite the fact that areas are being rebuilt.
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I don't think sentimentality for a lost way of life is anything like regret for one's lost bottle of ritzy wine. At the very least, the way of life of those owners isn't lost, just somethings that came with it.
 
In the picture, they show a sign with Chelsea on it. This is not the same place as the Chelsea Wine Vault you city guys write about reveling in?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't think sentimentality for a lost way of life is anything like regret for one's lost bottle of ritzy wine.
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That's because you have perspective. Although just because a wine is in storage doesn't make it ritzy. Not everyone who does this is wealthy. And for many people a wine collection is a lifetime investment, so there is going to be emotional loss.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't think sentimentality for a lost way of life is anything like regret for one's lost bottle of ritzy wine.
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That's because you have perspective. Although just because a wine is in storage doesn't make it ritzy. Not everyone who does this is wealthy. And for many people a wine collection is a lifetime investment, so there is going to be emotional loss.
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Liken it to discovering that your most treasured and ageworthy whites were showing premoxed six to eight years down the pike.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't think sentimentality for a lost way of life is anything like regret for one's lost bottle of ritzy wine.
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That's because you have perspective. Although just because a wine is in storage doesn't make it ritzy. Not everyone who does this is wealthy. And for many people a wine collection is a lifetime investment, so there is going to be emotional loss.
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As the Times tells it, the people in this story were wealthy and the wines they mourn were trophy wines. What we hear about is the guy with the million dollar plus collection, not the collector mourning his treasured last bottle of the wine from his wedding day. Perspective, of course, is where I started from.
 
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