Deutsche Memories

[Claude Kolm]

originally posted by John Roberts:

originally posted by Claude Kolm:
John --

I've got the answers in my visit notes, but I'm not going to take the time to dig them out and pore through them.

With all the time you've spent arguing, couldn't you have just gone back and checked your notes? This all started with a pretty straightforward and seemingly well-intentioned question.

You greatly overestimate my organizational abilities, John. The notebooks are scattered all over the place, and then after rounding them up, I'd have to go through them all to get the answers, as the same questions don't always come up each year.

 

[John Roberts]

You need an iPad. You know, like Suckling has.

 

[Michael Lewis]

Oh, Claude doesn't need to sort through ALL of his notes. I just want to know the identity of the longtime very great name producer in the Mosel that follows the formula of stainless steel tanks, cultured yeasts and temperature-control, combined with conventional farming and healthy doses of sulfur at crush and bottling. I mean, I might be able to guess, but since John threw a name out there it seems only fair for Claude to do the same...

 

[Zachary Ross]

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Oh, Claude doesn't need to sort through ALL of his notes. I just want to know the identity of the longtime very great name producer in the Mosel that follows the formula of stainless steel tanks, cultured yeasts and temperature-control, combined with conventional farming and healthy doses of sulfur at crush and bottling. I mean, I might be able to guess, but since John threw a name out there it seems only fair for Claude to do the same...

+1

 

[Claude Kolm]

originally posted by Zachary Ross:

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Oh, Claude doesn't need to sort through ALL of his notes. I just want to know the identity of the longtime very great name producer in the Mosel that follows the formula of stainless steel tanks, cultured yeasts and temperature-control, combined with conventional farming and healthy doses of sulfur at crush and bottling. I mean, I might be able to guess, but since John threw a name out there it seems only fair for Claude to do the same...

+1

Tell you what. I don't have extra time on my hands, but maybe you do, so why don't you come over here and do it on YOUR time? (Warning -- we moved last year so there are still lots and lots of boxes that have not been unpacked that will be available for you to go through.) Alternatively, if you want to pay my legal hourly rate, I'll consider it.

 

[Yixin]

Because of the quantities, a few estates use INOX for their BA/TBA/Eiswein. It's not always the case that you have a spare barrel/fuder which is just right for the harvest. I think I can safely name Loosen here, having actually worked there, both in the vineyard and cellar.

Sometimes the traditional estates (Merkelbach comes to mind) didn't want to invest in stainless steel. It is cheaper only if you're starting from scratch (and even then it's still possible to pick a used fuder cheaper than the 2nd hand stainless steel tanks). Some tried it and turned away (Hans-Leo at Christoffel before the sale).

I think the problem with INOX use is that it is correlated with a lot of other vinification choices (yeast inoculation, lower temps, reductive elevage, cold stabilisation AND filtering) which usually, but not always, 'flattens' a wine's profile and shortens its useful lifespan (since we're naming names, try some of the early 2000s Immich Batteriebergs). But those are separate decisions, e.g. Selbach-Oster has some INOX but doesn't inoculate much, if at all.

And this is just the middle Mosel.

 

[Claude Kolm]

originally posted by Yixin:
Because of the quantities, a few estates use INOX for their BA/TBA/Eiswein.

Or glass jugs/demi-johns, depending on the quantities -- and it's more than a few, in my experience, especially with smaller estates.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Claude Kolm:
You still haven't told me how many, if any, bottles you have tried, and if any, of what.

Why do you avoid direct answers to simple questions?

translating for the younger viewers at home, this means that if you want any kind of precision at all from the class of gentleman lawyer that is so kind to share their vast intellects and critical skills with us plebs, you has to be prepared to pay.

this was the vision that led to teh ebobporksterstravaganza forum, which, i'm sure we all agree is teh bestest of all bestest boreds for teh wine discussionz on teh entire interwebz. indeed, i have same vouchsafed from several leading growers and wine trade tops.

so we all know if we would only stump up teh zlotys and subscribe to teh clodbored, we would learn the identities of all teh top folks, and teh unnamed growers and teh critical interactions between shitty farming, lousy winemaking and genius hooch. and our lives would be huger, sunnier, more beautiful places to be.

big, fat, lame loser that i am though, something holds me back.

fb.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Yixin:

And this is just the middle Mosel.

which, by my map, is about 2 cms from würtzburg.

oh shit, i forgot. "control,+." -- make that 1 cm.

fucking small place, europe.

fb.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I think part of the problem is a confusion of industrial swill with spoofy wine.

if teh fatsink hadn't stepped in to abolish teh fbff on account of teh perpetual corruption associated with same, i could have guaranteed you a winner with that one.

fb.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by fatboy:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I think part of the problem is a confusion of industrial swill with spoofy wine.

if teh fatsink hadn't stepped in to abolish teh fbff on account of teh perpetual corruption associated with same, i could have guaranteed you a winner with that one.

fb.

Sorry, I can't decipher this.

 

[Rahsaan]

Fatboy's Festive Favorites.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Fatboy's Festive Favorites.

Even with the acronym spelled out, I still don't know what it would mean to have a winner resulting from a confusion.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Fatboy's Festive Favorites.

Even with the acronym spelled out, I still don't know what it would mean to have a winner resulting from a confusion.

He means your sentence as a whole would have qualified as a winner in the fbff top ten had the pageant not been abolished by generalized concerns surrounding its freedom from graft.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Rahsaan:
Fatboy's Festive Favorites.

Even with the acronym spelled out, I still don't know what it would mean to have a winner resulting from a confusion.

He means your sentence as a whole would have qualified as a winner in the fbff top ten had the pageant not been abolished by generalized concerns surrounding its freedom from graft.

If that's the case, teh udda prof tanks you fatz boy.