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Rahsaan

Rahsaan
Dinner with Maureen and Bob
2002 Pieropan Soave Classico La Rocca
I dont drink much Soave so this was fun. It was golden brown and tilting oxidative so our waiter felt the need to pronounce it too old and going downhill. To each his own palate. But for a while it gained vitality, definition, and bright fruit with air. Yet it was always wrapped in the cloak of a round golden frame. A fun easy drinking pleasure to guzzle with the fennel soup.

1995 Roumier Chambolle Musigny Les Cras
Our waiter felt the need to pronounce this too young but it was the most seductive wine on the table and I had plenty of fun. Very supple yet firm, rounded and ripe yet suave fruit that is just begging to grow further into its potential.

1995 Georges Mugneret Chambolle Musigny Les Feusselottes
This was a bit more difficult as it switched from fragrant fruit to rustic tannin and acid as the dominant themes. I liked the small-scale precisely-etched jewel nature of the fruit a lot, even if the structure was a bit too dominant.

Dinners with Rahsaan
2005 Karlsmhle Kaseler Nieschen Riesling Sptlese
Plenty of golden botrytis but also plenty of acid to frame the package. With air and into the second day the acid becomes brisker and brisker setting off the deep rich fruit in a lovely way. A touch finer than the 06 but both of them are lovely in their own way.

2006 Karlsmhle Kaseler Nieschen Riesling Sptlese
Looser bigger and bolder than the 05 but still has enough glistening acid to prevent it from getting silly. I wanted to like the 05 better but the succulent fruit is hard to resist here. Its all very intense and I could see how some might not like to have these with food. But I can get behind the full throttle nature of these recent vintages. Especially when there is enough brisk Ruwer acid to balance the day!

2005 Clos Salomon Givry 1er Cru
Crisp fragrant perfumed and polished fruit. I know now is probably not the time to be drinking these (here creeps the structure!) but the perfume is fun for a bit. I survived.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

2005 Karlsmhle Kaseler Nieschen Riesling Sptlese
Plenty of golden botrytis but also plenty of acid to frame the package. With air and into the second day the acid becomes brisker and brisker setting off the deep rich fruit in a lovely way. A touch finer than the 06 but both of them are lovely in their own way.

2006 Karlsmhle Kaseler Nieschen Riesling Sptlese
Looser bigger and bolder than the 05 but still has enough glistening acid to prevent it from getting silly. I wanted to like the 05 better but the succulent fruit is hard to resist here. Its all very intense and I could see how some might not like to have these with food. But I can get behind the full throttle nature of these recent vintages. Especially when there is enough brisk Ruwer acid to balance the day!

Thanks for these, I've been curious about this producer. Coincidentally, I opened the 2007 von Beulwitz Kaseler Nies'chen Sptlese tonight. My second in a few weeks, this was very slatey on the nose, and in time some of the Ruwer herbalness came out. The fruit is noticeably deep and complex, and while I wouldn't quite call this 'steely' at the moment, the acid balance is quite deft.
 
I'd like to drink more von Beulwitz. I've liked what I've tasted.

I don't have the most extensive experience but Grunhaus and Karthauserhof are my Top Tier Ruwer. I don't expect the same profundity from Karlsmuhle and since they are priced similarly to Grunhaus, I buy much more of the latter. But, it's all good wine so it's hard to go wrong!
 
La Rocca is a single vineyard wine aged in oak. The several times I have tasted it I thought it suffered for the wood.
Pieropan's Calvarino, OTOH, also a single vineyard, sees no wood and is about as good as the DOC produces - well worth a search.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
La Rocca is a single vineyard wine aged in oak. The several times I have tasted it I thought it suffered for the wood.

Thanks. That might explain some of the round golden-ness.
 
Regarding La Rocca, a while back I had several with around 10 years of age in a restaurant in Venice, and they were drinking beautifully at that stage. Neither brown nor oxidized. That aside, I agree with Florida Jim that at almost all stages the Calvarino is a more interesting wine for those who don't need everything they drink to have a layer of wood.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Regarding La Rocca, a while back I had several with around 10 years of age in a restaurant in Venice, and they were drinking beautifully at that stage. Neither brown nor oxidized. That aside, I agree with Florida Jim that at almost all stages the Calvarino is a more interesting wine for those who don't need everything they drink to have a layer of wood.

I also picked up an aged La Rocca in Constantini's while in Rome- '93, I believe. I can check my notes if anyone wants.

But I'll confirm that it wasn't oxidized, and that it was delicious. The wood was still there, of course, but very well integrated. It reminded me of Ponsot Mont Lusiants. I've not had a Calvarino that old for comparison, however.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Regarding La Rocca, a while back I had several with around 10 years of age in a restaurant in Venice, and they were drinking beautifully at that stage. Neither brown nor oxidized..

Will see if Bob jumps in on this point. He mentioned that he usually enjoys it with 10 years of age although I believe he thought this 02 might go a bit quicker.
 
Yes, the La Rocca does get tonneaux, at least the last time I researched about it. It has been showing more obvious wood while young since the early years of this decade. I have (admittedly) fading memories of mid-nineties vintages being less marked by the barrel. I have liked them with a decade or so of age, in the rare event that I have kept my hands off a bottle for that long. I don't think that this example was particularly oxidized. It was giving a powerful impression of sweetness, for its type, though I don't know the RS stats. But it was pretty much the same in that regard since release. The acidity seems to me to have mellowed.

All that said, I am firmly in the Jim/Thor camp on the Calvarino. I stopped buying the La Rocca after the 2003. The wood is getting more pronounced. I think the new generation is taking more of a hand in the cellar. When I met him a few years ago he was particularly proud of the La Rocca and the stylistic changes that have been noted. We're not talking Australian Chardonnay or anything quite like that here, though. I do think that the La Rocca is often a great wine, but I'm not sure I have the patience/storage space to wait for the wood to integrate as much as I would like.
 
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