CWD: '09 Roilette

[Unknown]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
The 2011 is a bit odd to me

yeah, I've been trying to sort that wine out. Unsuccessfully so far.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

With the Coudert, after I try the first one, I almost never open another for five years. Unlike the monkey, I don't think it turns into generic old wine. It turns into older Coudert, which I like. In even halfway decent vintages (but not the 03 for instance; this is not a universal), I think it is at its best around 10 and at that point it's time to start drinking up. The Tardive usually isn't ready at 5 but is usually humming along at 10. Again, with the accent on "usually." The last time I tasted an 09--maybe a year or so ago--it seemed both structured and primary at the same time.

Of course, different cellars, different strokes, etc., but the monkey likes wines unconscionably young and also has the charming belief that his tastes are objective. If you don't share his predilections, you will be unlikely to share his tastes. This doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about, just that the conclusions he draws based on what he knows may not always follow for everybody. There, guy, another fucking tautology for you.

 

[Todd Abrams]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

you find Lapierre, Foillard, Descombes "fruit heavy" ?

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

This "Todd Abrams" motherfucker doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Michael Lewis:

originally posted by VLM:
Honestly, I'm with Tom Blach.

You have to admit, you saying this is a little bit funny. Pretty much every time he posts on a wine board of one type or another, it involves him reprimanding someone for opening a wine too early!

But I agree with him that if you are looking for old wine, village Burgundy is the way to go!

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks, Mark. We opened one several months ago that was hard as a brick, and I swore them off for a couple years to come. Interesting.

I saw that note on CT, Ian, and I approach all '09s at this point with trepidation. Having said that, my passively cooled cellar is probably warmer than your storage conditions, so my wine's development might be faster.

Mark Lipton

2009s are drinking fine now. Fetishizing old Beaujolais is weird. There are only a few, and those only in certain vintages, that make interesting old bones. Others only turn into generic "old wine", if you're lucky.

Jay Miller is just wrong. Fruit is a delicious part of wine.

Have you tried the 98 Chamonard that's around?

 

[Todd Abrams]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

you find Lapierre, Foillard, Descombes "fruit heavy" ?

Whoa there, chief. I didn't say anything about those producers. If you want examples I find Coquelet and Vissoux to generally be riper than I care for. But only in a minor way. I happily drink everything we're talking about here.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks, Mark. We opened one several months ago that was hard as a brick, and I swore them off for a couple years to come. Interesting.

I saw that note on CT, Ian, and I approach all '09s at this point with trepidation. Having said that, my passively cooled cellar is probably warmer than your storage conditions, so my wine's development might be faster.

Mark Lipton

2009s are drinking fine now. Fetishizing old Beaujolais is weird. There are only a few, and those only in certain vintages, that make interesting old bones. Others only turn into generic "old wine", if you're lucky.

Jay Miller is just wrong. Fruit is a delicious part of wine.

Have you tried the 98 Chamonard that's around?

Maybe?

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks, Mark. We opened one several months ago that was hard as a brick, and I swore them off for a couple years to come. Interesting.

I saw that note on CT, Ian, and I approach all '09s at this point with trepidation. Having said that, my passively cooled cellar is probably warmer than your storage conditions, so my wine's development might be faster.

Mark Lipton

2009s are drinking fine now. Fetishizing old Beaujolais is weird. There are only a few, and those only in certain vintages, that make interesting old bones. Others only turn into generic "old wine", if you're lucky.

Jay Miller is just wrong. Fruit is a delicious part of wine.

Have you tried the 98 Chamonard that's around?

Maybe?

you don't remember?

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

you find Lapierre, Foillard, Descombes "fruit heavy" ?

Whoa there, chief. I didn't say anything about those producers. If you want examples I find Coquelet and Vissoux to generally be riper than I care for. But only in a minor way. I happily drink everything we're talking about here.

gotcha. chief.
just wasn't sure what you meant.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

With the Coudert, after I try the first one, I almost never open another for five years. Unlike the monkey, I don't think it turns into generic old wine. It turns into older Coudert, which I like. In even halfway decent vintages (but not the 03 for instance; this is not a universal), I think it is at its best around 10 and at that point it's time to start drinking up. The Tardive usually isn't ready at 5 but is usually humming along at 10. Again, with the accent on "usually." The last time I tasted an 09--maybe a year or so ago--it seemed both structured and primary at the same time.

Of course, different cellars, different strokes, etc., but the monkey likes wines unconscionably young and also has the charming belief that his tastes are objective. If you don't share his predilections, you will be unlikely to share his tastes. This doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about, just that the conclusions he draws based on what he knows may not always follow for everybody. There, guy, another fucking tautology for you.

That's not exactly true. I think that quality is objective and that different people have different access to that information.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

you find Lapierre, Foillard, Descombes "fruit heavy" ?

Whoa there, chief. I didn't say anything about those producers. If you want examples I find Coquelet and Vissoux to generally be riper than I care for. But only in a minor way. I happily drink everything we're talking about here.

gotcha. chief.
just wasn't sure what you meant.

Too many chiefs...

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Todd Abrams:
I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly

You mean the precision of Cote de Brouilly.

Yeah.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Todd Abrams:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

I’ll take the precision of Thivin Cote de Brouilly over most any fruit heavy Cru Beaujolais. Your angularity is my purity. 2010 anyway.

you find Lapierre, Foillard, Descombes "fruit heavy" ?

Of course they are. They are also great wines, most of the time. No ambiguity for me, here.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Oh, I don't get the love for Thivin either. Decent juice but always kind of angular and even a bit harsh for my palette.

It's got an unusually firm structure I like a lot for some reason, go figure. The fruit has to really strain to get out; almost an anti-gamay. And it develops in an interesting way. Chacun, etc.

 

[BJ]

It's refreshing that we can just keep talking about the exact same things, time and again.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by BJ:
It's refreshing that we can just keep talking about the exact same things, time and again.

It's great that we can just jump back into it, right? Just like old friends can do.

The Thivin thing is new.

 

[BJ]

I don't know, it seems like the lack of love for Thivin has been there a while. But now I know why - it takes 30 years for it to come around.

 

[Todd Abrams]

originally posted by BJ:
It's refreshing that we can just keep talking about the exact same things, time and again.

Sorry about that. Have you seen the Duboeuf tie? It pairs well with Jimmy Buffet played at double speed.

p.s. Thivin rulez!