TN: Wines over the weekend

originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: perfectly good, if not quite von Hoevel Scharzhofberger
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What is your point here? Do you love that wine? Especially in 02? I usually find it considerably less interesting than the Oberemmeler Hütte and thought that was the consensus view.
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maybe it was a figure of speech ?
perhaps he really meant it's no christoffel from the mid 1990s
 
From my friends in Germany I always hear that Christoffel Erben has jumped the shark since Eymael took over. Supposedly Christoffel jr is where the real gold is.
Thoughts about that?
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
From my friends in Germany I always hear that Christoffel Erben has jumped the shark since Eymael took over.
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seems that way, but the old stuff had set the bar pretty high

Supposedly Christoffel jr is where the real gold is.
Thoughts about that?
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Karl Joseph rules. Manages to make an actual Kabinett in today's climate, although even he can't pull it off every year, e.g. the 12 is only a Kabinett by label, as most are these days. Seriously old-fashioned stuff, which also means plenty of sulfur, but which oddly does not bother me in his bottlings. Perhaps because there is just so much going in the glass.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: perfectly good, if not quite von Hoevel Scharzhofberger
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What is your point here? Do you love that wine? Especially in 02? I usually find it considerably less interesting than the Oberemmeler Hütte and thought that was the consensus view.
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It was just a throwaway line, not to be taken too seriously. The 02 Christoffel was very good but not stunningly so. For me, the von Hoevel Scharzhofberger has been a wine of great beauty, which serves therefore as a kind of reference for things MSR.

Did we have the Scharzhofber and Oberemmeler Huette side-by-side? My recolletion is blurred by Sharzhofberger bottles I've had since then - 99, rather than 02, which I thought was still too young. VH's Oberemmeler Huette holdings are reputed to be superior, but I don't have any.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: For me, the von Hoevel Scharzhofberger has been a wine of great beauty, which serves therefore as a kind of reference for things MSR.
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Ok, I know we all have our own benchmarks and such, I've just never heard anyone refer to that wine in such a way.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: For me, the von Hoevel Scharzhofberger has been a wine of great beauty, which serves therefore as a kind of reference for things MSR.
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[...] we all have our own benchmarks [...]
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Yes, exactly. The vHS is among the best, matur-ish MSR to come my way; Scharzhofberg the best vineyard, generally. Natch', my experience falls short of that of many others here.
 
I think eymael actually took over with the 01s. That said, the 02s i have had were excellent carolina wine dumped a bunch in a fit of pique with theise. But otherwise they weren't dumped.
 
Even less.

Just finished an 03 Erdener Treppchen Auslese **: A very nice bottle, heat of the year evident only in the slight preponderance of creaminess over precision.
 
Sale was finalised in 2001, although there had been discussions for some time. 2001s still Hanno's, 2002 and 2003 still mostly vinified in the old cellars. I think the house style, as with the great estates, is clearest in less classic vintages, e.g. 1999, which was always a bit too loosely-textured. His 1982s are great, perhaps just below Joh. Jos. Prüm and Fritz Haag in linearity, about par with Rheinhold Haart (though those are larger-boned), Maximin Grünhaus and Thanisch Erben (a revelation to me, too).
 
originally posted by Yixin:
[...] I think the house style, as with the great estates, is clearest in less classic vintages[...]
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That's a thoughtful observation.

So you'd perhaps counsel cellaring these bottles longer? I just put an 03 Urz Wurz Auslese** in the queue, but maybe I should re-inter it.
 
The only real analogy I can offer for 2003s. The 1976s developed quickly and stayed that way, flavour-wise, for a long time, while texturally they kept on improving, a bit like cream. Would hold them because I just don't think they're that interesting, despite being delicious now.
 
Thank you.

It turns out I went fairly long on these, so may check one out soon, anyway. But it's comforting to think I need not fear a sudden, rapid deterioration of the remainder, at the very least.
 
As counterintuitive as this will sound at first, you may enjoy a ** Auslese from 2003 more right now than an equivalent Kabinett or Spatlese, which could provide more interest down the road in a very different way, with the added benefit of the Yixin effect.
I reached this conclusion with 03 Prums recently.
 
sure they do, but why should that always mean they are to be enjoyed linearly.
 
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