TN: Jay and Arnold's House (Jan 12, 2014)

originally posted by Brad Kane:
From my experience, things really started to change with the '94s, but in my mind, it wasn't until the '98s when you had the right bank garagistes in ascendency and lefties like Pape Clement had clearly changed their style.
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Agreed. I also remember the weird taste of '98 Pape Clement; also the '00.
 
The grunhauser wasn't dark, you're thinking of the 2001 kunstler auslese which did seem to have had som e poor storage along the way.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
If we can generalize (which, really, we can't), my understanding has been that 1995 was the last vintage where, say, a majority of the wines were still spoof-free. But I am definitely no expert.
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I'd say more like '96. From my experience, things really started to change with the '94s, but in my mind, it wasn't until the '98s when you had the right bank garagistes in ascendency and lefties like Pape Clement had clearly changed their style.
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I always put the dividing line between '95 and '96 myself, because on paper, the conditions for '96 were more difficult than '95... and then the wines came in bigger, denser, and with more points than the '95s. Hmm, wonder how they got that way! However, I recognize this is the kind of call that has as much to do with personal perspective as the wines themselves. There are people who draw the line between '81 and '82 of course. But for me, to this day the '95s give me petite madeleine moments, there is just something about them I haven't seen in any year since.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
If we can generalize (which, really, we can't), my understanding has been that 1995 was the last vintage where, say, a majority of the wines were still spoof-free. But I am definitely no expert.
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I'd say more like '96. From my experience, things really started to change with the '94s, but in my mind, it wasn't until the '98s when you had the right bank garagistes in ascendency and lefties like Pape Clement had clearly changed their style.
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I always put the dividing line between '95 and '96 myself, because on paper, the conditions for '96 were more difficult than '95... and then the wines came in bigger, denser, and with more points than the '95s. Hmm, wonder how they got that way!
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Well, truth be told, '96 is considered an excellent vintage for left bank wines. Even better than '95. It wasn't so good on the right bank and I don't recall enjoying too many on release.
 
Are you guys really constructing vintage charts?

Do I have to summon the spirit of Callahan from the vasty deep?
 
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