What did you drink tonight?

originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I am hearing so much lately about '97 red Burgs.
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private offer of veritas cellar?
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Almost. One of my favorite Veritas alumni was talking them up recently. I think he was channeling Steve Verlin or something.

I haven't had any recently.

I still remember sitting at the bar next to Steve and hearing him go on and on about the '97s, how they were the wines for the ages, how great they were, & etc. Odd moment in the wine life.
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The producers initially were very high on the vintage and talked it up quite a bit as a great vintage. The producers were still in the-riper-the-better mode -- in fact, I think this was the vintage that finally convinced the that this was a paradigm that no longer worked. Many of the wines, while not wines for the ages or great, were attractive enough from cask, but then seemed to fall apart completely once bottled. (DRC recognized the fragility and so bottled earlier and cask-by-cask vs. the 5 casks lots that have been standard for many years.)

Is your celebrity Vosne consulting producer the uncle of the name on the label? If so, he made the wine in 1997 (nephew had health problem at harvest) and they are truly standouts for the vintage.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Is your celebrity Vosne consulting producer the uncle of the name on the label? If so, he made the wine in 1997 (nephew had health problem at harvest) and they are truly standouts for the vintage.
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either the uncle, or the guy in the charitable/medical field
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
2009 foillard cdp from magnum. delicious. but ever so slightly corked.
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Can a corked wine be delicious?
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Yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't have said so.
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It's a legitimate question. I guess I'll have to take it on your word. Every corked wine I've ever had was far less than delicious. Even the ones I've tried to convince myself were not that corked.
 
2011 Gauby Les Calcinaires Blanc was tonight's greatest pleasure. It was something like a ripe peach if a ripe peach also smelled of flowers and licorice and apple skins and sassafras and warm stones. A revelation.
 
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
It was one of those nights. Michael was there, he can testify.

08 Vilmart Grand Cellier d'Or (I think)
08 Bouchard La Haute-Lemblé
01 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Spatlese #3
09 Peter Lauer Ayler Kupp Riesling "Kern" Fass 9
11 Overnoy Poulsard
07 Overnoy Chardonnay
07 Overnoy Chardonnay/Savagnin (ouillé)
01 Arnoux Romanée-St.Vivant
94 Vallouit Côte-Rôtie
96 Verset Cornas
96 Allemand Cornas Reynard
96 Clape Cornas
96 Fonsalette Cuvée Syrah
99 Faurie Hermitage
94 Lopez de Heredia Tondonia
89 Clos Rougeard Poyeux
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Might you say a little more about these wines?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:


Might you say a little more about these wines?
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Sure!

08 Vilmart Grand Cellier d'Or (I think) - slight nose, more expressive on palate, lean but deep, very nice, needs time
08 Bouchard La Haute-Lemblé - huge malty nose, lots of richness, terrific
01 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Spatlese #3 - oh so perfect in that 2001 way. Still early in its life though it's softening around the edges
09 Peter Lauer Ayler Kupp Riesling "Kern" Fass 9 - big, ripe, tasty but unfocused
11 Overnoy Poulsard - delicate, roses, refreshing; the ultimate in glou-glou
07 Overnoy Chardonnay - lean and precise, superb
07 Overnoy Chardonnay/Savagnin (ouillé) - gorgeous, tropical fruit
01 Arnoux Romanée-St.Vivant - simply killer. Amazing, amazing wine.
94 Vallouit Côte-Rôtie - old in a good way, still well put together, slender and winning
96 Verset Cornas - terrific Verset at its peak, meaty, smoky, everything you dream of
96 Allemand Cornas Reynard - equally impressive as the Verset, less mature, with a tight core of plummy fruit, this has years to go
96 Clape Cornas - another excellent Cornas, drinking very well but with plenty of life ahead. An embarrassment of riches.
96 Fonsalette Cuvée Syrah - still youthful and elegant, delicious
99 Faurie Hermitage - dense and burly, needs years, bit shy in acidity
94 Lopez de Heredia Tondonia - I didn't get a great read on this
89 Clos Rougeard Poyeux - absolutely lovely, all that aged Loire goodness
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
like the flashes of a native brown on the Clark's Fork (a river runs motherfucking through it bitches).
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Clark's Fork? Shit hell, that where I spent several summers fishing. We always called them "German browns," indicative of a belief that they were non-native. Brookies and Dolly Varden were the natives AFAIK.

Mark Lipton
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I had the same thought about browns myself. I don't think they're "native" to anywhere west of the pond. Stream-bred, maybe, but "not from around these parts." I think the natives on the Clark Fork would be rainbow/cutthroats - brookies aren't native anywhere west of the Mississippi. Pretty sure the Dollies are an import, too. That's a great river. I'm a little envious.

Speaking of jealousy, nice night, Zachary.

I had a glass of our soon-to-be-released Blackberry Sec while we were bottling, which continued to open up over about six hours as we worked. Our first dry mead, and I am kind of happy with it. Tank aged, no oak, great fruit character and very food-friendly. It was a tank of our regular release that went dryer than the main batch. We put it through a M-L to soften it up a bit, and it seems like it's found a spot where it's going to make old bones. Just a tiny fleck of RS. I had a Flensburger Pils when I got home. Northern Detroit has been no place to drive after a big night lately.

Speaking of glou-glou, I haven't been able to stop drinking bottles of the Raisins Gaulois lately. It would be good to get off that jag, but it's been solid fun.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
like the flashes of a native brown on the Clark's Fork (a river runs motherfucking through it bitches).
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Clark's Fork? Shit hell, that where I spent several summers fishing. We always called them "German browns," indicative of a belief that they were non-native. Brookies and Dolly Varden were the natives AFAIK.

Mark Lipton
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I'm sure you're right. I'm a dilettante at best when it comes to fly fishing. How about native Bull on the Blackfoot?

What would be native on the Clark's Fork? Rainbow?

Anyway, taking a bit of creative license to paint an image. I guess I should stick to my day job...
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by VLM:
like the flashes of a native brown on the Clark's Fork (a river runs motherfucking through it bitches).
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Clark's Fork? Shit hell, that where I spent several summers fishing. We always called them "German browns," indicative of a belief that they were non-native. Brookies and Dolly Varden were the natives AFAIK.

Mark Lipton
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I'm sure you're right. I'm a dilettante at best when it comes to fly fishing. How about native Bull on the Blackfoot?

What would be native on the Clark's Fork? Rainbow?

Anyway, taking a bit of creative license to paint an image. I guess I should stick to my day job...
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Maybe you should be like me, and have two day jobs. Your artistic license is appreciated. I loved the rest of that post. That's why I didn't jump on it. But when the opportunity for piling on revealed itself, well...
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
98 Clos du Bourg Sec was lovely last night.
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Tough vintage.

More details?
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The second of five - the first, a week ago, in Zaltos, seemed tired, even a bit moldy, so I didn't wait long to open the second which, in chardonnay bowl-type stems, seemed just perfect, fresh, with everything in place
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

Is your celebrity Vosne consulting producer the uncle of the name on the label? If so, he made the wine in 1997 (nephew had health problem at harvest) and they are truly standouts for the vintage.
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Nope, not the nephew, the other guys. Oh, well.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
$45 is a damn good price for Vosne-Romanée, even for a producer not highly sought-after like Mongéard-Mugneret. Is that a wholesale price? Even if it is, marking it up to retail would be $67.50, still quite decent for village Vosne these days.
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I continue to struggle with M-M (although I haven't tasted their 2010s yet, even though I own a few), but for a very specific reason.
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I thought their 85's were not bad...
 
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
2011 Gauby Les Calcinaires Blanc was tonight's greatest pleasure. It was something like a ripe peach if a ripe peach also smelled of flowers and licorice and apple skins and sassafras and warm stones. A revelation.
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Ahh...sassafras tea. Too bad the ground is too frozen to dig up some fresh roots!
 
Nicolas Potel in town, bottles in tow.

From magnums.

'95 Dom Perignon - Hmm.
'96 Henriot Cuvée des Enchanteleurs - Double hmmm.
'99 Dageneau 'Pur Sang' - really nice now.
'90 Pousse d'Or Bousse d'Or - good, still a bit hard.
'03 Potel Clos St. Denis - good for the vintage, not sure I got much CSD.
'01 Vieux Donjon CdP - good, not great.

And from bottles.

NV de Sousa cuvée 3A - I think Erick's most commercial cuvée after the Caudalies.
'85 Potel Clos Vougeot - faded, a bit too advanced.
'02 Prieuré St-Christophe Mondeuse Prestige - way too young
'11 Damien Laureau 'Le Bel Ouvrage' - waxy now

A few others I missed, like a Yabby Lake single vineyard Pinot Noir. But I find myself enjoying these dinners less and less due to advancing age.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Nicolas Potel in town, bottles in tow.
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What do you think of the Roche de Bellene wines? I had a lowly 2010 Bourgogne at a restaurant last week, and didn't even know it was Potel until later when I got home. But it was very pleasing, especially since I was biased against it by not knowing the producer.

But I find myself enjoying these dinners less and less due to advancing age.
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Just imagine what happens when you hit 40! (Not that I'm there yet myself)
 
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