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What did you drink tonight?
- Thread starter Kay Bixler
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originally posted by VLM:
2010 Huet Haut-Lieu Sec on the porch in the sun catching up with Jim. I don't really get the consternation around the Huet 2012s. This wine has always been delicious. It's a nicely generous version of Sec, with all the flavors you'd expect. Some rough edges that may not be smoothed out, but a fine enough tipple. Served its purpose well.
Not understanding your note. Your title is 2010, yet you talk about '12. The '12 secs bear no resemblance whatsoever to the '10s.
As for the Breze, I've never enjoyed them. Too much wood for my tastes.
Tristan Welles
Tristan Welles
2004 Clos de Tart. Delicious. Fine acidity, a smoky minerality persists on the finish, something like tart cherries on the approach. The color isn't as attractive as the palate, a bit muddy. No hint of any green qualities. None noted by other tasters.
Which reinforces a sort of recurring question for me: I never suffer the oft reported fate of other wine drinkers. My example of corked bottles seems much lower, the issue greenness in 2004 red burgundy for me is something either overstated or which could easily be dealt with by waiting (Barhod), or the issue of premox, which I find greatly greatly overstated. 2004 Chablis is a good example. Tasters report 'hints of premox' (which I believe to be an oxymoron) when I believe what they are tasting is the telltale vintage characteristic of botrytis.
Which reinforces a sort of recurring question for me: I never suffer the oft reported fate of other wine drinkers. My example of corked bottles seems much lower, the issue greenness in 2004 red burgundy for me is something either overstated or which could easily be dealt with by waiting (Barhod), or the issue of premox, which I find greatly greatly overstated. 2004 Chablis is a good example. Tasters report 'hints of premox' (which I believe to be an oxymoron) when I believe what they are tasting is the telltale vintage characteristic of botrytis.
First off the rest of La Treille Muscate, "La Fille de l'Air, 2010". Carignan/Merlot in carbonic maceration that was not entirely successful the previous day and showed no better on day two. This was followed by Broc Cellars, "Cuvee 13.1 Syrah, 2012". This was horribly flawed, put the balance of the glass back into the bottle and we'll check on it later.
Thor's Facebook post of the Hemingway quote, “I drink to make other people more interesting.”, was the only thing that put a smile on my face the entire day.
Thor's Facebook post of the Hemingway quote, “I drink to make other people more interesting.”, was the only thing that put a smile on my face the entire day.
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originally posted by VLM:
My first bottle of 2005 Mugnier Maréchale was much easier to understand. I thought that maybe this would be a 2005 that was starting to show something and we weren't disappointed. It is certainly too early to start digging in to these, but I've been curious for a while and I've got more. Opened for an hour or so and then decanted at the restaurant. The whole cluster is apparent from the nose and the palate is staid but with real finishing fruit that lingers, all good signs. As the night went on the nose opened with more fruit and spice, much more a Mugnier wine than something I would nail as Nuits, but then again, Faiveley put their house style on it too and no one else has made it in my lifetime, so who knows. Maybe the Mugnier version is it. Well, in a very real way, it is it. Someone trying to make Chambolle in Nuits. For all that, it is a wine of immense promise and was interesting and enjoyable. I took one for the team so you don't have to. I think 5-7 more years should get it in a place for me.
the monkey got this right - whenever Fred is in the mood and goes for a full horizontal of a given vintage ( which he's done more than once with the 05s for some reason ), it is quite telling that this wine never sticks out as an alien in the company of everything else being from chambolle-musigny
it's more Fred than Nuits for sure, but then again let's remember that it's essentially primeaux, which is (?) more of a blank slate for a potential house style imprint, provided one is still going for something reasonably light and elegant, which Fred's CdlM is.
i've not had a "taking one for the team" verdict from this 05, but as I've had it in burgundy more often than elsewhere, it may have been more fruit forward for a longer initial period.
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by VLM:
2010 Huet Haut-Lieu Sec on the porch in the sun catching up with Jim. I don't really get the consternation around the Huet 2012s. This wine has always been delicious. It's a nicely generous version of Sec, with all the flavors you'd expect. Some rough edges that may not be smoothed out, but a fine enough tipple. Served its purpose well.
Not understanding your note. Your title is 2010, yet you talk about '12. The '12 secs bear no resemblance whatsoever to the '10s.
Great catch! Sorry for the confusion!
As for the Breze, I've never enjoyed them. Too much wood for my tastes.
Fair enough, not everyone likes everything. Not enough of this to go around, anyway.
originally posted by Tristan Welles:
2004 Clos de Tart. Delicious.
Which reinforces a sort of recurring question for me: I never suffer the oft reported fate of other wine drinkers.
Maybe because you are being more rational (despite using CdT and delicious in the same sentence)? People are certainly over diagnosing pre-mox. People think they've had more corked bottles than they have, because, Tversky & Kahneman. 2004 is a problematic vintage for many other reasons that often reported green streak, although I'm certain it exists. It's kind of a crappy vintage. Take that, doghead.
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by VLM:
My first bottle of 2005 Mugnier Maréchale was much easier to understand. I thought that maybe this would be a 2005 that was starting to show something and we weren't disappointed. It is certainly too early to start digging in to these, but I've been curious for a while and I've got more. Opened for an hour or so and then decanted at the restaurant. The whole cluster is apparent from the nose and the palate is staid but with real finishing fruit that lingers, all good signs. As the night went on the nose opened with more fruit and spice, much more a Mugnier wine than something I would nail as Nuits, but then again, Faiveley put their house style on it too and no one else has made it in my lifetime, so who knows. Maybe the Mugnier version is it. Well, in a very real way, it is it. Someone trying to make Chambolle in Nuits. For all that, it is a wine of immense promise and was interesting and enjoyable. I took one for the team so you don't have to. I think 5-7 more years should get it in a place for me.
the monkey got this right
You're writing this an awful lot lately, feeling OK?
it's more Fred than Nuits for sure, but then again let's remember that it's essentially primeaux, which is (?) more of a blank slate for a potential house style imprint, provided one is still going for something reasonably light and elegant, which Fred's CdlM is.
Was talking about this exact thing last night.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
So, completely different than when Faiveley was making the wine?
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
Speaking of Faiveley:
2010 Faiveley Bourgogne Blanc
Lots of body, some pear, good acidity, vibrant, soft medium length finish.
Maybe not hugely complex but for a Bourgogne and for the price I'm not complaining at all. Great value.
And yes, the Mugnier and Faiveley Marechales are pretty completely different.
2010 Faiveley Bourgogne Blanc
Lots of body, some pear, good acidity, vibrant, soft medium length finish.
Maybe not hugely complex but for a Bourgogne and for the price I'm not complaining at all. Great value.
And yes, the Mugnier and Faiveley Marechales are pretty completely different.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Thanks.
We drank a pile of Faiveley Bourgogne blanc 04, I think, at, like, $10 a bottle. Decent tipple.
We drank a pile of Faiveley Bourgogne blanc 04, I think, at, like, $10 a bottle. Decent tipple.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
2000 Foreign Exchange Pichler Loibner Berg Riesling Smaragd Wachau 13.5%
Beautiful apricot and marzipan aromas, mouth a bit opulent, with insufficient acidity. Wachau, brown cow.
Beautiful apricot and marzipan aromas, mouth a bit opulent, with insufficient acidity. Wachau, brown cow.
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
drinking a 1998 Cotes-du-Rhone-Villages from Domaine Sainte-Anne, and am humbled at the sense that I'd nearly forgotten how lovely this wine is. Largely Grenache with a little Mourvedre and Syrah, and a very small amount of Cinsault. Though far beyond the charms it offered in its primary, youthful state around the early '00s, it has not lost a bit of freshness, and it wonderfully beguiling in its more mature state. Plenty of grip, and intensity to match the ripeness of '98, with impeccable balance, and grace. Fabulous with a roasted chciken and salad, on a warm night in March, in drought-stricken California.
Must have cost all of $10 or $11 at retail, on release.
Must have cost all of $10 or $11 at retail, on release.
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
drinking a 1998 Cotes-du-Rhone-Villages from Domaine Sainte-Anne, and am humbled at the sense that I'd nearly forgotten how lovely this wine is. Largely Grenache with a little Mourvedre and Syrah, and a very small amount of Cinsault. Though far beyond the charms it offered in its primary, youthful state around the early '00s, it has not lost a bit of freshness, and it's wonderfully beguiling in its more mature state. Plenty of grip, and intensity to match the ripeness of '98, with impeccable balance, and grace. Fabulous with a roasted chicken and salad, on a warm night in March, in drought-stricken California.
Must have cost all of $10 or $11 at retail, on release.
Must have cost all of $10 or $11 at retail, on release.
Speaking of Mr. Edmunds, I ordered a 2005 ESJ Bassetti tonight to show some UK friends what your wines could do. Still evolving but the glory was there and they were convinced. More exciting than the 2012 Donnhoff Leistenberg Kabinett or the 2012 Cornelissen Munjabel Rosso 9, both of which were very convincing in their own right.
originally posted by MLipton:
Last night I had a lovely pairing of the 2000 Verset Cornas with the 2000 Produttori Pora, both of which were youthful but oh so delightful.
Mark Lipton
Which I so brutally missed.
Today, Modelo Especial can and Mezcal, with herr Prof. Lipton.
Tonight with long lost brother Blackwood, 2008 Balthazar Chaillots, showing fun and slinky.
2002 Dom. Chevalier Blanc, was structured, fine, while also being full and engaging. We loved it. Would have been too much wood for the missed FlaJim.
1991 Laurel Glen was ever so slightly corked, but that's enough, so we moved on to 1999 Rousseau Gevrey, which was wholesome and complete as a village wine. Was easy to drink, so it was easily drank(en?).
I've seen FlaJim, Prof. Lipton and Elusive Blackwood all within the past 3 days. It's remarkable that something as seemingly unremarkable as wine has given me such gratifying friendship.
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
drinking a 1998 Cotes-du-Rhone-Villages from Domaine Sainte-Anne, and am humbled at the sense that I'd nearly forgotten how lovely this wine is. Largely Grenache with a little Mourvedre and Syrah, and a very small amount of Cinsault. Though far beyond the charms it offered in its primary, youthful state around the early '00s, it has not lost a bit of freshness, and it's wonderfully beguiling in its more mature state. Plenty of grip, and intensity to match the ripeness of '98, with impeccable balance, and grace. Fabulous with a roasted chicken and salad, on a warm night in March, in drought-stricken California.
Must have cost all of $10 or $11 at retail, on release.
Yes. Those wines are a memory now, but a fond one.