TN: Marc Hanes visits (Feb. 1, 2014)

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Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Ed, Ira, Jay, Alex, Jeff, Marc, Scott

Him again?

All from memory so just jots:

Allemand 1995 Cornas "Reynard" - "wine of the day"-Marc and Jay, "a bit volatile"-Scott, rich, full, a bit rough
Faiveley 2010 Mercurey "Myglands" - one of their monopoles, "a bit yech"-Jay, plastic and fake red cherry flavor, feh
Valentini 2002 Cerasuolo Montepulicano d'Abruzzo - "pretty damn good"-Marc, umami, lip-smacking, very intellectual wine
Peyre Rose 1996 Coteaux du Langudoc "Cuvee (name?)" - everyone likes it, like a good syrah-based Cotes du Rhone
I Vigneri (Salvo Foti) 2011 Etna Rosso - I like this a lot, suave, earthy, youthful
Jaboulet-Vercherre 1972 Corton "Clos du Roi" - "fun"-Marc, slightly maderized and sour-mash but there was lots of wine here once
Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - "premoxed"-Jay, it starts out fine but there is apple juice in its core
Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2008 Vouvray - nice Vouvray, clean and pure, not so intoxicating as good Huet but better than many
Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2010 Vouvray - didn't have it... everybody said the '08 was better
Chevillon 2008 Nuits-St-Georges "Les Cailles" - grumpy to have been woken up, I say to wait 5 years, Jay says to wait 15
Lapierre 2007 Morgon "MMVII" - rises from the bed with a smile on its lips and a song in its heart! perhaps not quite as thrilling as Foillard's 3.14 but steady and persuasive, "so much better than the MMIX"-Jay
Trimbach 2001 Riesling "Cuvee Frederic Emile" - "thankfully un premoxed"-Jay, this is an excellent bottle
Cowan Cellars 2012 Ribolla Gialla - bright, clean, crisp, do the waxy texture and golden-fruit flavor come with a year or two in the bottle?
Boxler 2011 Riesling Grand Cru "Brand" - "left me wanting"-Marc, "uninspired"-Scott, they dismiss this bottle but I'm enjoying it plenty, a very full wine compared to (say) the laser focus of the Freddie
Chamonard 1998 Morgon "Clos de Lys" - "lovely"-Scott, empty when I arrived
Do Ferreiro 2009 Albarino "Cepas Vellas" - "what is it that people like about this wine?"-Scott
Ganevat 2010 "Grusse en Billat" Chardonnay - "great"-Scott, opened just as I left
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
TN: Marc Hanes visits (Feb. 1, 2014)attendees: Ed, Ira, Jay, Alex, Jeff, Marc, Scott

Him again?

All from memory so just jots:

Allemand 1995 Cornas "Reynard" - "wine of the day"-Marc, rich, full, a bit rough
Faiveley 2011 Mercurey "Clos Rochette" - one of their monopoles, plastic and fake red cherry flavor, feh
Valentini 2002 Cerasuolo Montepulicano d'Abruzzo - "pretty damn good"-Marc, umami, lip-smacking, very intellectual wine
Peyre Rose 1996 Coteaux du Langudoc "Cuvee " - like a good syrah-based Cotes du Rhone
I Vigneri (Salvo Foti) 2011 Etna Rosso - I like this a lot, suave, earthy, youthful
(maker?) 1972 Corton "Clos du Roi" - "fun"-Marc, slightly maderized and sour-mash but there was lots of wine here once
Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - "premoxed"-Jay, it starts out fine but there is apple juice in its core
Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2008 Vouvray - nice Vouvray, clean and pure, not so intoxicating as good Huet but better than many
Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2010 Vouvray - didn't have it... everybody said the '08 was better
Chevillon 2008 Nuits-St-Georges "Les Cailles" - grump to have been woken up, I say to wait 5 years, Jay says to wait 15
Lapierre 2007 Morgon "MMVII" - rises from the bed with a smile on its lips and a song in its heart! perhaps not quite as thrilling as Foillard's 3.14 but steady and persuasive
Trimbach 2001 Riesling "Cuvee Frederic Emile" - "thankfully un premoxed"-Jay, this is an excellent bottle
Cowan Cellars 2012 Ribolla Gialla - bright, clean, crisp, do the waxy texture and golden-fruit flavor come with a year or two in the bottle?
Boxler 2011 Riesling Grand Cru "Brand" - "left me wanting"-Marc, he dismisses this bottle but I'm enjoying it plenty, a very full wine compared to (say) the laser focus of the Freddie
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the Allemand i thought was a bit volatile.

the 72 Corton was Jaboulet-Vercherre.

i too thought the Boxler was uninspired.

there was also a lovely 98 Chamonard Clos de Lys and a great Ganevat 10 Grusse en Billat Chard.

someone brought a Do Ferreiro Albarino. what is it that people like about this wine?
 
My last 98 Chamonard had lots of tar, to the point of distraction. Should have stoppered and left it for the following day. It if was reduced, can a wine still be reduced after all these years?
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
someone brought a Do Ferreiro Albarino. what is it that people like about this wine?
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Why, did they go south? I haven't tried in a couple of years, for no good reason.

The regular cuvee was always my go to Albarino, at least when I could not get my hands on Palacio de Fefiñanes. I wasn't always sold on Cepas Vellas, although in some vintages it was clearly a big success.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
the Allemand i thought was a bit volatile.

the 72 Corton was Jaboulet-Vercherre.

i too thought the Boxler was uninspired.

there was also a lovely 98 Chamonard Clos de Lys and a great Ganevat 10 Grusse en Billat Chard.

someone brought a Do Ferreiro Albarino. what is it that people like about this wine?
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Thank you. Fixed.
 
The Albarino was 2009 and it was the Cepas Vellas bottling. Everyone seemed to enjoy "guess the percentage of Syrah" in the Corton.

Pretty sure the Faiveley was 2010 and Myglands, notes are at home. Ganevat opened around the time I was shutting down but seem to recall it being a very nice wine.
 
Allemand 1995 Cornas "Reynard" - "wine of the day"- also Jay

Faiveley 2011 Mercurey "Myglands" - this was the 2010 and showed nothing like my last bottle. A bit yech.

Valentini 2002 Cerasuolo Montepulicano d'Abruzzo - loved this wild

Peyre Rose 1996 Coteaux du Langudoc "Cuvee " - very good

I Vigneri (Salvo Foti) 2011 Etna Rosso - I also like this a lot

Jaboulet-Vercherre 1972 Corton "Clos du Roi" - definitely starting to fal apart but still plenty of interest

Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - another premoxed bottle from the stash that Brad got at a good price

Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2008 Vouvray
Hahn (Le Clos de la Meslerie) 2010 Vouvray - I like the 2010 more than most but the 2008 was definitly better

Chevillon 2008 Nuits-St-Georges "Les Cailles" - shutting down. Decant well beforehand if you're going to open it now and hide the decanter so it doesn't get drunk up.

Lapierre 2007 Morgon "MMVII" - so much better than the MMIX. I could drink this all day

Trimbach 2001 Riesling "Cuvee Frederic Emile" - this was singing and the best bottle of the 2001 I've had to date (out of sample size of around 6-7). Youthful, vibrant, vibrating. The 2001 showed so austere for so many years that I was concerned that all the good fruit might have gone into all the special bottlings. Not any more.

Cowan Cellars 2012 Ribolla Gialla - rich and delicious

Boxler 2011 Riesling Grand Cru "Brand" - A bit uninteresting

Chamonard 1998 Morgon "Clos de Lys" - wonderful wine

Do Ferreiro 2009 Albarino Cepas Vellas - I liked it though the 2009 has always shown a bit ripe. Not my favorite vintage from them. 2010 was better
 
originally posted by Marc Hanes:
Everyone seemed to enjoy "guess the percentage of Syrah" in the Corton.
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Maybe, or more likely, a heavily chaptalized burg.

Yeah, that do that with age.

Judgement day is coming.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I thought they used grenache, not syrah. Grenache seems much more pinot-y to me.
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That was my understanding as well, but someone on this bored (Claude, perhaps?) years ago took issue with that view and stated that Syrah also found its way into the Cote d'Or. Probably now lost with WD, alas.

Mark Lipton
 
Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - another premoxed bottle from the stash that Brad got at a good price
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I don't think the price paid has anything to do with the premoxisation...
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I thought they used grenache, not syrah. Grenache seems much more pinot-y to me.
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That was my understanding as well, but someone on this bored (Claude, perhaps?) years ago took issue with that view and stated that Syrah also found its way into the Cote d'Or. Probably now lost with WD, alas.

Mark Lipton
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Remington Norman reports in his "Rhône Renaissance" that Clape used to sell his Cornas to a famous Burgundy negociant for inclusion in the Corton.
 
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by MarkS:
Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - another premoxed bottle from the stash that Brad got at a good price
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I don't think the price paid has anything to do with the premoxisation...
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Perhaps they were closing out some poorly-stored bottles?
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unlikely - at least based on some outstanding bottles from the same batch
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Remington Norman reports in his "Rhône Renaissance" that Clape used to sell his Cornas to a famous Burgundy negociant for inclusion in the Corton.
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That was probably really good Corton.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by MarkS:
Huet 2002 Vouvray Demi-Sec "Le Mont" - another premoxed bottle from the stash that Brad got at a good price
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I don't think the price paid has anything to do with the premoxisation...
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Perhaps they were closing out some poorly-stored bottles?
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unlikely - at least based on some outstanding bottles from the same batch
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Indeed. The bottles were purchased on closeout from the CT distributor my old company had recently purchased. They had been sitting in a temp controlled warehouse since Chadderdon brought them in. I picked them up in CT either in March or April on a day that was in the low 50s. Storage in this instance is not an issue.

The fact is, I and others here have had many premoxed bottles sourced from all over, from CA, other places in the West to many different sources in the tri-state area. At this point, one has to deduce that the problem lies either at the domaine, or with the national importer, but the fact that it seems to be only affecting the drier wines and given reports even in Europe of tired '02 Petillant, evidence seems to point to an issue at the domaine. My understanding, however, is that the domaine feels the problem may lie with their old importer. That begs the question, however, of why is this issue showing primarily with the '02s, then? What did Chadderdon do differently bringing them in, if he did in fact do anything different?
 
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