Can anyone comment on the differences between these 3 2011 Lauer wines?

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I despise rieslings that taste like they were fermented to trockeness for its own sake, but that's the exact opposite of everything I've tasted from Lauer - they always seem totally effortless and comfortable in their own skin, whatever the specs.
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I've been drinking through a bottle of 07 Untersternbersch with the Coravin over the past two weeks. In my mind, Florian can do no wrong and I generally do think his 08's were stronger than 07's but wow, that 07 is a bruiser. It's not what I would describe as shut down; it's just that its weight (everything about it is heavy: the fruit, the acids, the alcohol, the phenols) is so overwhelming right now, I'm having a hard time imagining how it could shed all that. In some ways, I almost wonder if it wouldn't have been better vinified slightly drier. The remaining RS in that wine is a bit difficult.

That said -- and I haven't had the 2011 Schonfels -- but the 09 was one of the top 5 dry wines of my trip to Germany a couple years ago (and that's including the unreal lineup of Grosses Gewachs and GMax at Keller). Had it again about a year later in NY and it was a stunner. That site is very very very special. It is so exciting that Florian is giving it its due and bolting the wine separately.
 
Okay, I tried Arnold on a 2012 Barrel X last night and he had stomach trouble and said "let's not get this again, it's too acidic". I'm now concerned about Saar wines in general for him - would even the 2011 Kern be too much?

The list seems all GG and Trocken so I'm considering skipping wine now. Here's the complete riesling suggestion in case anyone can suggest something that's not too acidic, not too alcoholic (10% or less is best which is why I was leaning towards the Kern), and even a little rs:

Alsace Albert Mann, Grand Cru, Schlossberg, Alsace, 2010 $100
. Domaine Schieferkopf, Pinot Gris, 2010 $60
. Marcel Deiss, “Rotenberg,” Riesling 2007 $110
. Marcel Deiss, Grand Cru, “Mambourg,” Pinot Blend 2008 $200
. Marcel Deiss, Premier Cru, “Engelgarten,” Riesling 2008 $150
. Marcel Deiss, Premier Cru, “Langenberg,” (Field Blend), 2008 $165
. Rolly Gassman, Riesling, 2009 $60
. Trimbach, “Clos St. Hune,” Riesling,
2002 $300
. Trimbach, “Clos St. Hune,” Riesling, 2004 $350
. Trimbach, “Clos St. Hune,” Riesling, 2005 $400
. Trimbach, “Cuvée Frédérich Emile,” Riesling, 2005 $120
. Trimbach, Riesling, 2010 $45
. Zind Humbrecht, “Heimbourg,” Riesling, 2010 $110
Germany Dönnhoff, “Schlossböckelheimer Felsenbert,” GG, Ries. Trocken, Nahe, 2011 $120
. Dönnhoff, Riesling (Trocken), Nahe, 2011 $50
. Hans Wirsching, “Iphöfer Kronsberg,” Scheurebe, Kabinett, Dry, Franken, 2010 $60
. Hans Wirsching, “Iphöfer Kronsberg,” Spatlese Dry, Franken, Silvaner, 2011
Peter Lauer, Riesling, Fass 11, “Schonfels”, Saar, Germany, 2011 $110
. Peter Lauer, Riesling, Fass 13, “Saarfeilser”, Saar, Germany, 2011 $90
. Peter Lauer, Riesling, Fass 9, “Kern”, Saar, Germany, 2011 $90
. Pfeffingen, “Ungsteiner Herrenberg” “M,” GG Trocken, Pfalz, Riesling, 2010 $85
. Robert Weil, Erstes Gewachs, “Kiedrich Grafenberg,” Riesling, Rheingau, 2009 $120
. Schäfer-Fröhlich, “Schlossbockelheimer,” Trocken, Nahe, Riesling, 2007 $50
. Schäfer-Fröhlich, “Vulkangestein,” Trocken, Nahe, Riesling, 2011 $60
Austria Emmerich Knoll, Smaragd, Riesling, “Loibner Vinothekfüllung”, Wachau, 2009 $105
. Emmerich Knoll, Smaragd, Riesling, “Ried Loibenberg”, Wachau, 2008 $100

Emmerich Knoll, Smaragd, Riesling, “Ried Loibenberg”, Wachau, 2009 $105
. Emmerich Knoll, Smaragd, Riesling, “Ried Loibenberg”, Wachau, 2010 $115
. F.X. Pichler Smaragd Grüner Veltliner “Dürnsteiner Kellerberg” Wachau, 2010 $195
. F.X. Pichler, “Unendlich”, Riesling, Wachau, 2011 $210
. F.X. Pichler, Smaragd, “Dürnsteiner Kellerberg”, Riesling, Wachau, 2010 $200
. F.X. Pichler, Smaragd, “M”, Riesling, Wachau, 2010 $210
. Hermann Moser, Riesling, 1er Gebling, “Kellerterrassen,” Kremstal, 2010 $85
. Hirsch, Riesling, Zöbinger, “Gaisberg,” Riesling, Alte Reben, Kamptal, 2006 $120
. Hirtzberger, “Steinerterrassen,” Riesling, Wachu, 2011 $65

Karl Lagler, Grüner Veltliner, “Smaragd,” Steinborz, Wachau, 2011 $85
. Kracher, “Sohm & Kracher,” Grüner Veltliner, Niederösterreich, 2011 $80
. Nigl, Grüner Veltliner, “Freiheit,” Kremstal, 2011 $50
. Nikolaihof, “Vom Stein,” Riesling, Federspiel, Wachau, Austria, 2011 $80
. Prager, Smaragd, Grüner Veltliner, “Achleiten” Wachau, 2010 $135
. Schloss Gobelsburg, Grüner Veltliner, “Gobelsburger,” Kamptal, 2011 $45
. Wohlmuth, “Steinriegel,” Gelber Muskateller, Styria , 2009 $60

So many nice wines but all very dry.

I'm considering going with the

Domaine Huët, 1 ère “Le Mont,” Chenin Blanc, Vouvray, France, 2009 $140

depending on what people say about the Kern.
 
No, I meant the

Peter Lauer Riesling Barrel X - 2012

which retails for about $18.

"The Fass X is fermented off-dry from holdings farmed by local winemakers under grape-purchase contracts on the original parts of the Ayler Scheidterberg."
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Jay , is that supposed to be Le Mont 1er Trie ?
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Yes it is. That was just a copy and paste from the website. Unfortunately they seem take the German route of preferring either very dry or very sweet when it comes to whites.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by .sasha:
Jay , is that supposed to be Le Mont 1er Trie ?
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Yes it is. That was just a copy and paste from the website. Unfortunately they seem take the German route of preferring either very dry or very sweet when it comes to whites.
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i am not a fan of 2009 dry whites, from Huet, Pinon, Foreau or Chidaine, but the sweets starting in the upper range of demi-sec are breathtaking
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
No, I meant the

Peter Lauer Riesling Barrel X - 2012

which retails for about $18.

"The Fass X is fermented off-dry from holdings farmed by local winemakers under grape-purchase contracts on the original parts of the Ayler Scheidterberg."
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Interesting, doesn't appear in my Exportliste, and obviously not X meaning 10. The 2011s should be less acidic for Arnold.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
No, I meant the

Peter Lauer Riesling Barrel X - 2012

which retails for about $18.

"The Fass X is fermented off-dry from holdings farmed by local winemakers under grape-purchase contracts on the original parts of the Ayler Scheidterberg."
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Interesting, doesn't appear in my Exportliste, and obviously not X meaning 10. The 2011s should be less acidic for Arnold.
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Barrel X is called "Alt Scheidt" outside of the US. The Mosel Wine Merchant boys thought maybe the original name wouldn't sound so appetizing to the American market.

I don't remember the exact numbers of RS but both 2011 Saarfeilser and Kern are Feinherbs and due to the vintage both will have much less acidity than 2012 Barrel X. Saarfeilser is always softer then Kern, but Kern also tends to have a little more sugar to balance. It's been a while since I've tasted either so I'm afraid I can only offer generalities, but I thought Kern was really lovely.
 
originally posted by John Ritchie:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
No, I meant the

Peter Lauer Riesling Barrel X - 2012

which retails for about $18.

"The Fass X is fermented off-dry from holdings farmed by local winemakers under grape-purchase contracts on the original parts of the Ayler Scheidterberg."
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Interesting, doesn't appear in my Exportliste, and obviously not X meaning 10. The 2011s should be less acidic for Arnold.
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Barrel X is called "Alte Scheidt" outside of the US. The Mosel Wine Merchant boys thought maybe the original name wouldn't sound so appetizing to the American market.

I don't remember the exact numbers of RS but both 2011 Saarfeilser and Kern are Feinherbs and due to the vintage both will have much less acidity than 2012 Barrel X. Saarfeilser is always softer then Kern, but Kern also tends to have a little more sugar to balance. It's been a while since I've tasted either so I'm afraid I can only offer generalities, but I thought Kern was really lovely.
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Thank you John! Greatly appreciated.

I think I'll risk the Kern.
 
Interesting to see on the Lauer web site that Germans can buy mixed six-packs direct for 70 to 100 Euros. The wines are obviously getting much more expensive over here.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Interesting to see on the Lauer web site that Germans can buy mixed six-packs direct for 70 to 100 Euros. The wines are obviously getting much more expensive over here.
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baby cleo's gotta go to college. kidding.
 
It's always cheaper (at least in my experience) to buy direct from the producer in Europe than to buy at a retail outlet in the US. Why wouldn't it be!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
It's always cheaper (at least in my experience) to buy direct from the producer in Europe than to buy at a retail outlet in the US. Why wouldn't it be!
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Of course. The question is how much. The importer very likely isn't paying the German retail price. And the wines are 2.5 to 3 times the German retail price in the U.S. That's a big markup compared to what we usually see.
 
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