TN: Leclerc and Chezeaux (Feb 12, 2014)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
It is winter in New England. Snow and slush and icy patches everywhere, making it hard to drive without fish-tailing and hard to walk without a frequent sharp intake of breath that precedes a near-fall.

Tonight I am at Gordon's Wine for a complimentary tasting of wines by Dom. P. Leclerc and Dom. Chezeaux. I am sitting next to .sasha, under whose auspices I obtained this desirable seat in the first place. (Thank you, Dr. K.) (And, also, a big Thank You to Gordon's for hosting a great event.)

While waiting for the event to begin I chat with Ian and some of the other nice folks who run the place. I also admire the extra-zippy Ponsot tech that is also used on the Dom. Chezeaux bottles: the Ponsot name in raised letters in the punt and a fancy cork that involves at least three different kinds of plastic. (See pictures at the end.) I also chat with some of the French visitors about vineyards, vines, phylloxera, and so forth.

The event begins. Philippe Leclerc is here in person, his first visit to the US in 20 years. He is inexplicably dressed as a pirate: black leather pants, black square-toed boots, black billow-sleeved lace-up shirt, and a dark thrusting pointy beard.

He announces big stylistic changes at the estate. One can feel a quiver go through the room... are we about to be subjected to m'oxed/r'osmosed/etc wine when we came for tannic ultra-traditional wine? Indeed, not: he is doing the same vineyard work but allowing the wines less time in barrel, hence they are softer and more accessible earlier.

Specifically, the village wines dropped from 2 years in 50-75% new oak barrels down to 18 months in 33% new, 33% one journey, and 33% two journey barrels. The 1er cru wines still rest in 100% new oak but for several months less than before. The full changeover happened in 2010 but experiments had been done since 2008.

A humorous anecdote is offered at this point about how Philippe was motivated to make these changes because the distributor said she'd like to pay Philippe for the new vintage in 10 years' time when she can actually taste the wine. (One has to wonder whether that transpired with a bit less ha-ha at the time?)

A little more on Dom. Leclerc:
- Yes, his brother also makes wine but we're not here to talk about him. (Take that!)
- He leaves the grapes on the vine until fully ripe, even at the risk of hail, rain, rot, and so on.
- The vines are old, perhaps as much as 25% of them planted following the end of WWI.
- I don't think any other protocol was discussed (e.g., canopy mgmt, use of stems, yeasts, sulfur).

With regard to Dom. Chezeaux, there is no representative of the house so much less is said. Everybody knows Ponsot and his glamor is sufficient. I guess.

Anyway, let the wines begin:

Flight - Odd Men Out

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2010 Bourgogne "Bons Batons" - lightweight, very red cherry, very accessible, more pinot noir than Burgundy but still a good value at its price point; Philippe says that Bon Baton is a vineyard located near the Chambolle line that only 3 makers share (but the room can only name Barthod)

Dom. Chezeaux 2011 Chambolle-Musigny 1er "Charmes" - a fuller presence than the Bons Baton (more tannins, more 'face powder' aromatics) but kinda skimpy fruit and maybe even a touch of green

Dom. Chezeaux 2006 Chambolle-Musigny 1er "Charmes" - softer than the 2011, not skimpy but shy (maybe a bit closed); .sasha observes that the Dom. Chezeaux wines have nice structure and nice fruit but they are in separate planes and not well-integrated, hence they give him the appearance of being crafted rather than natural.

Flight - Leclerc 2010

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2010 Gevrey-Chambertin "En Champs" - fuller and richer than the Bons Batons, good balance, also very open and accessible

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2010 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Champeaux" - there is a roasted note in the nose (toast or terroir?) that lends the whole a sort of Nuits-St-George character, good potential but still tight, I like this one

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2010 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Cazetiers" - some complexity in the flavors here, maybe a note of apricot? but this wine is even more restrained and reticent so its hard to know what it will be like

Flight - Leclerc Combe aux Moines Vertical

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2010 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Combe aux Moines" - well, the 100% new oak is very prominent on this one! stinging tannins in the mouth conceal everything but the long, pure finish; .sasha thinks the wine is shut down hence the prominence of the wood

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 2006 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Combe aux Moines" - fragrant flowers over a smear of dark jam, not profound and still quite oaky but at least there is something starting to show

Dom. Philippe Leclerc 1998 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Combe aux Moines" - finally, a wine that is starting to show the masculine Gevrey funk, beef blood, stewed meat, strawberry jam; yum; Leclerc says to wait 10 more years on this one

Flight - Chezeau Griottes Vertical

Dom. Chezeaux 2011 Chambertin - candied, and cheap sugary candy at that; awful, really (and disappointing)

Dom. Chezeaux 2011 Griottes-Chambertin - also candied but a little less aggressively so, also sour

Dom. Chezeaux 2007 Griottes-Chambertin - sharp acidity, spicy, but still pretty closed

Dom. Chezeaux 1998 Griottes-Chambertin - finally here's a good one, very fresh and full, starting to show the bitter cherry flavor for which the vineyard was named

And here is that cork (click to embiggen):
 
Very useful, thank you. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, all the Chezeaux wines in this tasting are vinified by Leclerc, and none by Ponsot, right?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Very useful, thank you. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, all the Chezeaux wines in this tasting are vinified by Leclerc, and none by Ponsot, right?
They are all Ponsot wines. Hence the Ponsot name in the punt and the uber-fancy cork.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman: Philippe Leclerc is here in person, his first visit to the US in 20 years. He is inexplicably dressed as a pirate: black leather pants, black square-toed boots, black billow-sleeved lace-up shirt, and a dark thrusting pointy beard.

Jeff, If I remember correctly, that is the way he was dressed (or, at least, very similarly) several years when I met him at a tasting here.

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Very useful, thank you. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, all the Chezeaux wines in this tasting are vinified by Leclerc, and none by Ponsot, right?
They are all Ponsot wines. Hence the Ponsot name in the punt and the uber-fancy cork.

Right, guess I just glossed over that, perhaps because I didn't want to believe that the Ponsot Chezeaux were so unimpressive. Odd that Leclerc should be punting Posnot (not NFO) Chezeauxs and not Leclerc's own (NFO) Chezeauxs. And boo to the plastic cork, no matter how fancy.
 
"Ponsot's glamor."
For some, perhaps.
Not I.

My Leclerc experiences have been unpleasant; interesting time table to make them palatable.

Hmmmm - maybe I should just be quiet this evening.
Best, Jim
 
Thanks, Jeff, for this nice report - your best prose! Were the plastic corks used in the 1er and GC bottles? Was there any discussion of how the plastic achieves a cork-like seal for these vins de gardes?

Dom. Chezeaux not to be confused with Jerome, imported by Rosenthal.

Seems like Faively and Gouges have also taken steps in recent years to make their wines easier to get at sooner. But the persuasive argument is most memorably-worded in your chronicle.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman: Philippe Leclerc is here in person, his first visit to the US in 20 years. He is inexplicably dressed as a pirate: black leather pants, black square-toed boots, black billow-sleeved lace-up shirt, and a dark thrusting pointy beard.

Jeff, If I remember correctly, that is the way he was dressed (or, at least, very similarly) several years when I met him at a tasting here.

. . . . Pete
You refer to 20 years as several?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

And here is that cork (click to embiggen):
I wonder about extractables.

Almost as much as I wonder about ageing.

Hmmmm.

A lurker writes to ask what I mean by extractables. These would be molecules found in the cork that could find their way into the wine. TCA, for instance, would be an extractable from some bark corks.

But many of the extractables from some synthetic corks have included estrogen receptor agonists, and other things we probably don't need in our diets, so I am a bit wary.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks, Jeff, for this nice report - your best prose! Were the plastic corks used in the 1er and GC bottles? Was there any discussion of how the plastic achieves a cork-like seal for these vins de gardes?
Thank you. Yes, the same anti-fraud tech was used for all the Dom. Chezeaux wines.

And, no, they took no hard questions. This was a tour to sell wine, you know.
 
If you Google around you can find a screed by Laurent Ponsot concerning these corks, known variously as Ardea Seal or Guala Seal. He (and Olivier Leflaive and about 130 other Burg makers) use them because (a) no TCA, of course, and (b) the oxygen ingress has been carefully controlled to between 0.009 and 0.018 cm^3 per day [which is supposed to result in 9-12 ppm of oxygen in the wine after 10 years].
 
Thanks; it didn't occur that the corks also served to fraud-proof, which now obviously makes sense. What's the oxygen ingress for cork, do you know?

Joe's question is also a good one.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks; it didn't occur that the corks also served to fraud-proof, which now obviously makes sense. What's the oxygen ingress for cork, do you know?

Joe's question is also a good one.

According to the author of the good question, a good cork should allow zero ingress, so that all the transformation is intrabottle.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks; it didn't occur that the corks also served to fraud-proof, which now obviously makes sense. What's the oxygen ingress for cork, do you know?
.

Iirc most recent studies have shown significant variability in natural cork. Since the new generation of screw caps can control their level of permeability (as opposed to the original ones which were effectively 0) the question became where in the range of natural cork screwcaps should be designed to mimic.
 
Thanks for the writeup, Jeff! Chapeau!

Discussion of enclosures aside, as I had the opportunity to taste the wines on days 2 and 3, I will add that the Leclercs continued to impress, especially the 2010s, which hung on and only seemed to grow more comfortable with themselves, rather than oxidize and turn pruney.

I cannot say the same for the des Chezeauxs, which, with time, revealed ever more of their confectionery qualities and quite simply fell apart. The exception was the 06 Chambolle-Charmes and 98 Griottes. Still, in the end, I remain indifferent to Ponsot. More often when I taste Ponsot, I feel I am tasting Ponsot. Then again, anyone with a cellar sufficiently stocked with his wares is more than welcome to convince me otherwise!

Thanks for coming Jeff: any friend of .sasha is a friend of mine!

Cheers!

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
TN: Leclerc and Chezeaux (Feb 12, 2014)

Tonight I am at Gordon's Wine for a complimentary tasting of wines by Dom. P. Leclerc and Dom. Chezeaux. I am sitting next to .sasha, under whose auspices I obtained this desirable seat in the first place. (Thank you, Dr. K.) (And, also, a big Thank You to Gordon's for hosting a great event.)

While waiting for the event to begin I chat with Ian and some of the other nice folks who run the place.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
Iirc most recent studies have shown significant variability in natural cork. Since the new generation of screw caps can control their level of permeability (as opposed to the original ones which were effectively 0) the question became where in the range of natural cork screwcaps should be designed to mimic.
Jay is correct. According to the screed, Ponsot is far more horrified by the variability in older bottles than he is by cork taint (1 bottle in 1000, he says).

The ingress figure for the Ardea Seal was determined by Ponsot himself tasting lots and lots of older bottles (oh, the pain, the pain), deciding which ones were good, then measuring the dissolved oxygen in them. He found that good bottles ranged from 10 - 350 ppm and, magically, he chose the range 90 - 120 as his sweet spot.
 
originally posted by Ian Halbert:
Thanks for the writeup, Jeff! Chapeau!

Discussion of enclosures aside, as I had the opportunity to taste the wines on days 2 and 3, I will add that the Leclercs continued to impress, especially the 2010s, which hung on and only seemed to grow more comfortable with themselves, rather than oxidize and turn pruney.

I cannot say the same for the des Chezeauxs, which, with time, revealed ever more of their confectionery qualities and quite simply fell apart. The exception was the 06 Chambolle-Charmes and 98 Griottes. Still, in the end, I remain indifferent to Ponsot. More often when I taste Ponsot, I feel I am tasting Ponsot. Then again, anyone with a cellar sufficiently stocked with his wares is more than welcome to convince me otherwise!

Thanks for coming Jeff: any friend of .sasha is a friend of mine!

Cheers!
Politburo lets just anybody in nowadays. Sheesh.

(consider yourself welcomed)

Thanks for the follow-up on the wines.
 
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