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Oh. Lordy
- Thread starter SFJoe
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Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by SFJoe:
There was a detour into the Wine Asylum before Wine therapy.
Many of us were on alt.food.wine, and a few still are.
Oh, yeah. Wine Asylum, and let's not forget the blueberry board Kay discovered.
Ahem, I also discovered Wine Asylum. For a while I thought I was the moderator, then Joe explained to me how the Internet actually works. There were also a few other venues prior, similar to the blueberry board, where only Joe, Chris and I (and our make-believe ensemble) posted briefly to test the water. The poetry board was particularly memorable.
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by SFJoe:
There was a detour into the Wine Asylum before Wine therapy.
Many of us were on alt.food.wine, and a few still are.
Oh, yeah. Wine Asylum, and let's not forget the blueberry board Kay discovered.
Ahem, I also discovered Wine Asylum. For a while I thought I was the moderator, then Joe explained to me how the Internet actually works. There were also a few other venues prior, similar to the blueberry board, where only Joe, Chris and I (and our make-believe ensemble) posted briefly to test the water. The poetry board was particularly memorable.
Which board was it that you discovered Jeebus was an alien lobster king?
Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
Is that true?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
wtf is Joao Kansas? What an unlikely juxtaposition.
A Coad piece that had a ton of responses from many characters, real and created, that eventually led Robin to create "The Basement" on the WLDG, basically a thread at the bottom of the board where the NY crew and their cohorts could have some fun at Tom Troiano's expense. Closing of the basement and Robin's turning on Dressner and the NY group in general, caused a flight from the WLDG Callahan's newly created Wine Therapy after a quick pit stop on Wine Asylum and a blueberry board.
Here's Coad's original piece: IN WHICH JOAO DISCOVERS HE'S NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.
Fascinating, thanks. Had a suspicion João Rosé might be involved somehow.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Oh man. Have to believe that the post is covered by the Fair Use Doctrine. But, as others have noted, sometimes the cost of defense overwhelms the merits. Legal bullying.
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Oh man. Have to believe that the post is covered by the Fair Use Doctrine. But, as others have noted, sometimes the cost of defense overwhelms the merits. Legal bullying.
Abso-fucking-lootley. And not the first time, either. HRH Bob certainly doesn't impress with his legal scruples.
Mark Lipton
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
Mea culpa, I somehow forgot about Wine Asylum until I saw it mentioned here. Probably just as well, since Google seems to show that my lone contribution was a post complaining about the declining quality of Buffy the Vampire Slayer after season 2.
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
We should have more Buffy threads.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Which board was it that you discovered Jeebus was an alien lobster king?
Asylum
Jeebus
Steve Guattery
Steve Guattery
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Which board was it that you discovered Jeebus was an alien lobster king?
Asylum
Jeebus
The legal threats have a familiar ring...
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Which board was it that you discovered Jeebus was an alien lobster king?
Asylum
Jeebus
The legal threats have a familiar ring...
New rumor to spread: Robert Parker is an alien space lobster.
U
Unknown
Guest
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
We should have more Buffy threads.
I am finding that the show isn't ageing well.
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
We should have more Buffy threads.
I am finding that the show isn't ageing well.
Not too many pre-Golden Age shows have. Even something as good as Homicide doesn't measure up.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
American copyright law was designed to offer heavy protection for intellectual property...
I'd amend this to "American copyright law has been continually redesigned to offer increasing protection to intellectual property owners."
I suppose in this case one could mount a fair use defense, but it would be chancy since even sampling is no longer protected.
I don't know how extensive the quotations in the original blog post were, but there is still some hope for fair use exceptions. Within the last month, Lawrence Lessig won a lawsuit over his use of a song, which was included as an example in one of his lectures that was posted on youtube.
1) Please tell me things haven't gotten any worse since the Bono act.
2) The number of words would probably fit under fair use, although since the quote was the entirety of the remark, that could be an issue. I also think the purpose of use would be a problem as the quote was not for purposes of review, parody, or one of the usual fair use reasons. Using it for buking and scorning hasn't been ruled on to my knowledge. Maybe it would create a new exception.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Yule Kim:
It's pretty disturbing to see a self-proclaimed journalist use a SLAPP in order to silence another journalist.
[...]
Best comment. I wonder whether it's actually Parker who calls these shots now, or his new masters.
originally posted by Brad Kane:
[...]
Here's Coad's original piece: IN WHICH JOAO DISCOVERS HE'S NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.
Pricing on Infantado Ruby has hardly budged. 'A steal,' indeed.
originally posted by Mike Evans:
A short history of the origins of some of the web fora:
Prodigy --> Squires (Mark ran the Prodigy board when it folded)
Compuserve --> WLDG (Robin was a moderator of the CIS board before starting WLDG)
WLDG --> Joao Kansas --> Basement --> Wine Therapy --> Wine Disorder
Squires --> Wine Berserkers
[...]
Coad and Bowman should collaborate to on a Tolkeinesque narrative. The inception of Disorder could be like The Return of the King.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
[...]originally posted by Mike Evans:
I find it interesting that David White
Thanks for posting this. What a weird read, especially if you accept David's comments as reasonably neutral. What is going on over there? It's like reading Putin talk about European history.
Steve Guattery
Steve Guattery
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
American copyright law was designed to offer heavy protection for intellectual property...
I'd amend this to "American copyright law has been continually redesigned to offer increasing protection to intellectual property owners."
I suppose in this case one could mount a fair use defense, but it would be chancy since even sampling is no longer protected.
I don't know how extensive the quotations in the original blog post were, but there is still some hope for fair use exceptions. Within the last month, Lawrence Lessig won a lawsuit over his use of a song, which was included as an example in one of his lectures that was posted on youtube.
1) Please tell me things haven't gotten any worse since the Bono act.
In terms of copyright extension, not that I know of. However, since 1998 we've seen continued attempts to control digital distribution of copyrighted material, including the ill-fated SOPA and PIPA legislative proposals a few years back.
Copyright creep has often occurred when copyright laws were changed to deal with new technologies. I won't be surprised to see further attempts to extend the terms.
2) The number of words would probably fit under fair use, although since the quote was the entirety of the remark, that could be an issue. I also think the purpose of use would be a problem as the quote was not for purposes of review, parody, or one of the usual fair use reasons. Using it for buking and scorning hasn't been ruled on to my knowledge. Maybe it would create a new exception.
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say anything with certainty, but what the hell: According to the Copyrights Office website entry on fair use, criticism, comment, and news reporting can justify a fair-use exception. I didn't see the original quotations, nor do I know how much of the original material was quoted, but I don't see why at least some of material couldn't have remained under fair use.
By the way, Eric Faden, a colleague here in the English department, made a short film "A Fair(y) Use Tale" to explain copyright law. It's composed of clips from animated Disney movies, but Eric has never been sued by Disney as far as I know. It's widely available on the web. I can't watch more than a minute or two of it, though the FBI disclaimer is worth seeing.
U
Unknown
Guest
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
wtf is Joao Kansas? What an unlikely juxtaposition.
A Coad piece that had a ton of responses from many characters, real and created, that eventually led Robin to create "The Basement" on the WLDG, basically a thread at the bottom of the board where the NY crew and their cohorts could have some fun at Tom Troiano's expense. Closing of the basement and Robin's turning on Dressner and the NY group in general, caused a flight from the WLDG Callahan's newly created Wine Therapy after a quick pit stop on Wine Asylum and a blueberry board.
Here's Coad's original piece: IN WHICH JOAO DISCOVERS HE'S NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.
Huh.
The football basement here has promise, after all.
originally posted by .sasha:
The football basement here has promise, after all.
What, you're a Fulham supporter now?
Mark Lipton