Renegade Cotat Night

SFJoe

Joe Dougherty
Went last night to an interesting event at Pearl & Ash, near the old Stuyvesant place on the Bouwerij. With the help of some of the attendees, and his usual alacrity in responding to interesting offers, Comrade Patrick assembled some recent and older vintages of various wines from the cousins and brothers Cotat in Chavignol for a group of 12 to sample at the communal table (this was part of Patrick’s regular Renegade wine dinner series). You will recall that the brothers Francis and Paul made the wines together in the cellar in town until 1996 or so, when they handed things over to their sons Pascal and François (respectively). Pascal moved up the hill to the place behind his auto garage, while François kept the ancestral cellar in Chavignol. They split the vines. Francis assisted Pascal for some time (he may still, it has been quite a while since I visited).

I used to get together with friends to taste each new vintage from these guys, and to decide what to buy, but it just isn’t possible anymore—you have to get your orders in. Prices are up, availability is down, as with so many wines.

I usually drink a bottle or two young, and put some away. Many of last night’s wines were in between for me, so an interesting spot that I don’t typically visit.

I quite liked most of the food last night as well, though Chef will have to be careful not to overcaramelize porcini, they can get bitter.

We started with a lone bottle of Culs de Beaujeu 2006 from François. I was slightly late, so my glass (poured earlier) had equilibrated to the room. In keeping with the vintage, it showed considerable power, but also a fair whack of alcohol. It got quite hot close to harvest in 2006, and sugars moved pretty fast on everyone in the eastern Loire. The '06s really need an ice bucket nearby.

The next course let us compare Monts Damnés from 2008. I liked both wines a lot. This bottle of Pascal’s MD was more open, with the redox dial set just a bit more towards oxidation than François’. F’s MD was tighter, earthier, less giving. I would drink either with pleasure.

The big flight compared Monts Damnés from 2007 and 2006 from each. Not surprisingly, I preferred the ‘07s to the ’06—less alcohol, more acid. These wines had a hint of richness from rs, but you wouldn’t call them sweet. Once again in the ‘07s, François’ MD showed more earth than fruit. The wines were controversial at our end of the table, but Pascal’s ’07 MD was one of the wines of the night for me, with great depth of fruit and mineral intensity, not to mention mouthwatering acidity. I also preferred Pascal’s ’06 to Francois’, it showed more fruit while retaining good minerality. So, in this group, P>F and 7>6.

We moved on to rosés. The 2011s were quite dissimilar. François’ was pale, delicate, and delicious. Pascal’s was much darker, more tannic, showing more skin, so to speak. Today, you want François. In a decade, it will be interesting to compare.

Another big flight compared the rosé ‘10s and ‘08s. Pascal’s ’10 was again much darker than François’. F’s was pale, tasty, really showing well. P’s was really not bad at all, showing less tannin than the ’11. In ’08, the colors reversed—F’s was darker here, though the difference wasn’t dramatic. Pascal’s also showed a bit oxidized—maybe the cork, or a shipping issue on this bottle? Hard to say. Great acidity on the 2008s.

We finished with some old rarities (though both are still in my cellar), Cuvées Spéciales from 1999 (P) and 1996 (joint, though a Francis label. The old brothers used different labels on the identical wines they produced together). The ’99 was closer to what you would think of as Sancerre, with only a bit of rs. It’s still young wine. The ’96 was its usual freakish self—rs, botrytis, lychee, crazy ripe stuff with a fair bit of alcohol showing. It’s a monster, but a fun monster.

I have historically struggled with mnemonics to remember which cousin’s wines I should buy, and this tasting didn’t resolve it for me. Sometimes one way, sometimes another. And we didn’t get into Grande Côte at all.

A fun night, great company, and I know there are comrades with different views, so let the controversy begin!
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Renegade Cotat Night

On the whole, I had a similar take. I didn't care for F's '06 MD much at all; both '07 MDs were fine, but I too give the nod to P.

Another big flight compared the rosé ‘10s and ‘08s. Pascal’s ’10 was again much darker than François’. F’s was pale, tasty, really showing well. P’s was really not bad at all, showing less tannin than the ’11. In ’08, the colors reversed—F’s was darker here, though the difference wasn’t dramatic. Pascal’s also showed a bit oxidized—maybe the cork, or a shipping issue on this bottle? Hard to say. Great acidity on the 2008s.

The color on the '08 and '10 roses was pretty remarkable. One maybe can see that here:

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The ’99 was closer to what you would think of as Sancerre, with only a bit of rs. It’s still young wine. The ’96 was its usual freakish self—rs, botrytis, lychee, crazy ripe stuff with a fair bit of alcohol showing. It’s a monster, but a fun monster

The '96 was a bit too monstrous for me. I much preferred the '99, but I agree it seem to be very much still, if not an infant, no more than a toddler.
 
Fab writeup, Mister D.

I was particularly excited for this event because (a) the many rosés compensated for the many SBs, and (b) I really always had wondered just what was the difference between P and F, never having had them at the same time (sort of like two people you never see in the same room together; could they be hiding something?).

This really allowed me--more through the SBs, that said--to set clearer parameters between Style P and Style F.

To barge into your thoughts:

originally posted by SFJoe:
The big flight compared Monts Damnés from 2007 and 2006 from each. Not surprisingly, I preferred the ‘07s to the ’06—less alcohol, more acid.

I concur. '06 was the big loser of the night, from the Beaujeu butts to the MDs.

These wines had a hint of richness from rs, but you wouldn’t call them sweet.

Yes; they struck me as having less rs than some older examples of the same. Do you put this down to winemaking having changed, or some other thing?

Once again in the ‘07s, François’ MD showed more earth than fruit. The wines were controversial at our end of the table, but Pascal’s ’07 MD was one of the wines of the night for me, with great depth of fruit and mineral intensity, not to mention mouthwatering acidity. I also preferred Pascal’s ’06 to Francois’, it showed more fruit while retaining good minerality. So, in this group, P>F and 7>6.

For me, the '07 F was the wine of the evening (fighting it out with his '11 rose), in truth. I was surprised at some of the loyalty to the '07 P around me. It struck me as candied, a bit. A bit waxy-fruity. There was lean fight in the F that spoke to me more.

It was interesting to see the big divide between the '11s. By eye, too.

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Another big flight compared the rosé ‘10s and ‘08s. Pascal’s ’10 was again much darker than François’. F’s was pale, tasty, really showing well. P’s was really not bad at all, showing less tannin than the ’11. In ’08, the colors reversed—F’s was darker here, though the difference wasn’t dramatic. Pascal’s also showed a bit oxidized—maybe the cork, or a shipping issue on this bottle? Hard to say. Great acidity on the 2008s.

And this is where I got lost, again. Who is who and what is what and what tastes like what, and hey, is that '08 P corked? Vaguely, vaguely T... vaguely, vaguely C... vaguely, vaguely A... Or else unclean?

We finished with some old rarities (though both are still in my cellar), Cuvées Spéciales from 1999 ... and 1996

The former was quite interesting; I do agree with your assessment.

The latter was a pure, untrammeled abomination, and I am going to stand by that as I lean back in my chair (wait, am I sitting or standing?) and watch Kirk do the dirty work of consuming it in my stead.
 
Very cool.

So I will, just for the sake of obligatory webzy contrarianism, go skeptical on your most diplomatic treatment of the two '11 pinks. I think there are inherent issues with the raw material which time will not take kindly to, and Francois' outcome of a most gentle, ready-to-drink wine of early secondary complexity is a masterstroke in that year.

I'd like to know why the big flight of 07/06 was controversial at your end of the table, because I have a slight suspicion I would have contributed to the name calling and throwing of napkins. While I have no reason to doubt your "more fruit than earth" assessment, don't the Ps also achieve this by simply being bigger wines, at least in those two vintages? And by extension, don't Fs have a little more RS to begin with, across the board, or was this not a consistent observation?

Quick historical note - one of the sons was heavily involved in winemaking before Francis and Paul handed things over officially, in fact he made some of the cuvees for the multiple labels entirely on his own.

oh, and you did get to the Grand Cote. Cuvee Speciale in '99 in one :-)
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Quick historical note - one of the sons was heavily involved in winemaking before Francis and Paul handed things over officially, in fact he made some of the cuvees for the multiple labels entirely on his own.

Which one?

All my knowledge about these dudes comes from my tablemates.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Very cool.

So I will, just for the sake of obligatory webzy contrarianism, go skeptical on your most diplomatic treatment of the two '11 pinks. I think there are inherent issues with the raw material which time will not take kindly to, and Francois' outcome of a most gentle, ready-to-drink wine of early secondary complexity is a masterstroke in that year.

It's very tasty. Why do you think P. went for the extraction?

I'd like to know why the big flight of 07/06 was controversial at your end of the table, because I have a slight suspicion I would have contributed to the name calling and throwing of napkins. While I have no reason to doubt your "more fruit than earth" assessment, don't the Ps also achieve this by simply being bigger wines, at least in those two vintages? And by extension, don't Fs have a little more RS to begin with, across the board, or was this not a consistent observation?
I was on the lookout for differences in rs, and have to say I didn't really get them. It was dinner, and noisy, and maybe in solitude and silence you would see more, but nothing stuck out. You will observe some different preferences above, and Madame doubtless has a better palate than mine, but I thought that P '07 had more depth without being riper--are his vines maybe older in MD? I don't know.

Quick historical note - one of the sons was heavily involved in winemaking before Francis and Paul handed things over officially, in fact he made some of the cuvees for the multiple labels entirely on his own.
Sure, and he thinks the guy up the hill is an idiot. Of course, the guy up the hill had the benefit of extended coaching from his father. I really expected to come out of this with a preference for F., but I didn't get there. Tilting the other way in some wines, not in others. No easy rules, disorganized life.

oh, and you did get to the Grand Cote. Cuvee Speciale in '99 in one :-)
:-)
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by .sasha:
Very cool.

So I will, just for the sake of obligatory webzy contrarianism, go skeptical on your most diplomatic treatment of the two '11 pinks. I think there are inherent issues with the raw material which time will not take kindly to, and Francois' outcome of a most gentle, ready-to-drink wine of early secondary complexity is a masterstroke in that year.

It's very tasty. Why do you think P. went for the extraction?

I am not sure he did anything wrong. I just think F caught on and exercised skills of that great ancient art of making beautifully light wines in difficult vintages (think 80s Chave in rainy years).
 
originally posted by .sasha:
I just think F caught on and exercised skills of that great ancient art of making beautifully light wines in difficult vintages (think 80s Chave in rainy years).
Or maybe he just pressed sooner and not as hard? But there you go.
 
Also, in these recent vintages, P has been at the game for 15 years at least. Objections of inexperience would seem to be less relevant.
 
An earlier effort, 2002 P rosé, is in fine form tonight. Perhaps a little darker in color than some (and from a green bottle, for those worried about this). But not as dark as the 2011. Delicious acidity, delicate and still rather fruity, good stuff. Don't have F handy for the comparison.
 
how's the colour on F '00 that's been sitting in the fridge for 2 1/2 weeks? still good btw, somewhat metallic now but creamy and leafy all the same

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