Tea

Keith Levenberg

Keith Levenberg
I will be having to spend an indeterminate period on painkillers away from wine. Will need some other mind-expanding but nonalcoholic beverage to avoid making each day a total waste. any suggestions to help me grok the wonders of tea will be most appreciated.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
TeaI will be having to spend an indeterminate period on painkillers away from wine. Will need some other mind-expanding but nonalcoholic beverage to avoid making each day a total waste. any suggestions to help me grok the wonders of tea will be most appreciated.

Well, like wine, at a basic level there are different countries involved and those different countries have different traditions and grow different teas. Japanese teas and Chinese teas are very different, for instance, in a very broad sense. You might want to go to a Japanese tea ceremony class, I have done so a few times and found it fascinating, but also keep on mind that that tradition, which you could study for many years, is just one of the tea traditions of the world.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Chat up Peter Liem.


Tea has its own rabbit hole. I don't like tea enough to jump, so take this advice knowing I'm a dummy who appreciates those who do it the right way.

There are easy ways to do better than the ubiquitous metal strainer. Namely a decent gaiwan-- one that fits comfortably in your hand and is fairly solid, but also somewhat cheap because they're easy to break. Those excel with cleaner, brighter, sparkley teas (green and white). Clay is vastly superior for deeper, darker teas (aged oolong, pu-erh), but proper pots are really expensive. Throw in a small cup and a strainer. Watch the tea evolve through several steepings.
 
Read my mind. Was just thinking yesterday about Tea Asylum here.

Haven't had a cup of coffee in 14 years and thus drink tea several times a day. A bit of a cultural thing as well.

So where does one order online? Or shop in New York or thereabouts?
 
Lalalalala, I can't hear any of you!

I really strive not to pay too much attention to tea, because as Comrade Andy says, another rabbit hole awaits.

I buy satisfactory stuff online for my purposes from Upton Tea Imports. And then I try not to think about it.
 
Lalala yourself.

I once spent 12 euros at Mariage Frères Paris, which I am sure is overpriced, on 50 grams of stuff that lasted a couple of months and was just outright awesome.
 
Upton has a bunch of samplers which is a good way to figure out which styles you prefer (green, black, white; first flush, second flush; spring, summer, fall; oolong, darjeeling, assam ...)

Teagschwendner - I like their Darjeeling Phurugi Second Flush

American Tea Room - http://www.americantearoom.com/milk-oolong.html is an amazing milk oolong though I prefer it on second and third steepings. Too milky for me on the first.

I don't really know more than the basics but after a fair amount of experimentation and sampling I've found a few teas I really like and just buy them.
 
My wife is a big fan of Japanese green teas, so I've picked up quite a bit by osmosis. NYC now has a very famous tea retailer from Kyoto, Ippodo tea. We've been satisfied customers (mostly of the original Kyoto location) since 1996. Any Sencha from them will be a good introduction to what Japanese green tea is all about.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Another person to reach out to for guidance would be Terry Theise.

had I known this, I would not have spent all that time discussing gruners, champagnes and rieslings at a tasting he conducted last week :-)
 
Our go to tea is the Keemun from The Good Coffee Company here in Seattle (a roaster that predates Starbucks and then rest by several years). It is really good. I drink it with milk, which I think is just really uncool but I don't care.

I also bought an English Russell Hobbs kettle off ebay which I love - highly evocative.

But I am clueless about tea really. I don't even know where Keemun is grown (ack!).
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Chat up Peter Liem.

This. He turned me onto a place called Red Blossom Tea Company who I've been ordering from for a couple of years.

I've been generally ordering Chinese green tea from them and don't get fancy about it. I really like the teas and drink them instead of coffee. Usually, I steep the same leaves 3-4 times throughout the day.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Usually, I steep the same leaves 3-4 times throughout the day.

the stuff i scored in france was even better on 2nd or 3rd use
 
Other non-alcoholic drinks that can function somewhat like wine include:

--Japanese roast barley tea (Mugicha?), served cool, has some of the earthy and mellow tannic food matching properties of mature red wine;

--mineral water with lime juice and a splash of lichee syrup from canned lichees helps offset cravings for Riesling, Muscat or Gewurz;

--pomegranate juice or cranberry juice mixed with sparkling water as a substitute for young fruity red wine.

Good luck with your pain & recovery.
 
if in NYC generally or Greenpoint specifically, I recommend Bellocq. Lovely place, great service and amazing teas. Be forewarned, very precious in a hipster light.
 
hmmm...complicated, but you knew that already, otherwise you wouldn't be asking the resident savants. Sooo....what do you want to know and where do you want to start? I'm partial to strong Assams myself, with secondary spratlings of Darjeeling, East Africans, full-leaf Ceylons, and Chinese full-leaf black teas.
Since I got married and have no need to impress the girls, I sort of stopped with the gong-fu-cha. Oh, and if you really want to give a break to your liver, perhaps you ought to go the herbal route, because they would probably be a better fix for it than caffeinated teas which can irritate it.
 
...Keemun...I drink it with milk, which I think is just really uncool but I don't care.

Hey, don't forget that keemun was the original 'English breakfast'. The British didn't have their Indian tea plantations yet (we're talking pre-Opium war days), and Keemun, being a black Chinese tea, was the tea being imported into Jolly Olde Englande (heck, it could have been dumped into Boston's harbour for that matter as well!).
 
I eventually came to obsess over wine around 2003 via craft beer and tea. I feel like wine (and bourbon... and scotch... and cognac) have taken a little something away from my appreciation of both beer and tea. But given how much my appreciation for tea influenced how I approached wine, I thought it might be appropriate to suggest you try something similar in reverse.

Especially in India, there are particular estates as well as the obvious English classification system for how the leaves are picked. It's not hard -- especially if you use a place like Upton Tea as has been suggested -- to put together reasonably priced orders of teas that provide real, honest-to-goodness regional comparisons, leaf quality comparisons, flush (ie, first, second, third picking of the year), etc.

With Chinese tea, it's rare to find importers that note the farmer/estate, but the regional and production differences are easier to understand. It's almost Burgundian in how it's more about province/region than producer. Particular places are revered. And history often dictates how most of the teas are made: The teas from on/near the Wuyi mountains are, as far as I can tell, just about always made into a mineral-driven, slightly earthy oolong, and they're incredibly good.

Anyhow, when I was first getting into tea, I'd order 3, 4, or 5 teas that all related to one another in a few of those ways and then I'd order 3 or 4 random "fun" sample packets -- a rare green tea, a crazy expensive oolong, etc. And I'd use those samples to inform my next full order. I'd do that every couple of months, and it was incredibly instructive.

Of course, as a Detroiter, after I met Putnam and some other wine nerds in town, I started to see the similarities and applied the same approach to wine. Estates and all the "fine tippy etc" stuff translated nicely to terroir and crus and premier tries. I'd buy wine in similar ways to buying tea, buying clusters of Beaujolais, etc. Reading books where applicable. I suspect you'll find the exact same applies in reverse -- you just need to decide what you like the most and where to dive in first.

I highly recommend Upton Tea for the sheer breadth of its selections but also their speed and their sample program. There's a small tea importer in Detroit now that offers online orders called Joseph Wesley Tea. I cannot speak highly enough about their teas, especially their #06, which is essentially a tea leaf normally reserved for white teas that is given a black tea treatment to insanely delicious results. The owner lived in China for years, developing an affinity for great teas, and he brings in top notch stuff.

Maybe it's just living in Ann Arbor/Detroit, but all the Tea Gschwendner I've gotten has tasted kind of stale.

Just one lurker's opinion...
 
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