Eminent

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VLM:
Telling people the risks they should take to make their wine when there are real financial consequences to failure and you are not in the same boat yourself can be presumptuous.
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That's kind of an easy straw man. They are striving to make fine wines, not just to scrape by or to make standard-issue fare. It would be a risky step for them, of course, but it's not presumptuous to wonder if their wines wouldn't be better with the native yeasts. There are reasons people do risk it, even in places (as Joe mentions) such as the Chablisien or around Nantes.
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OK, I yield and withdraw my comment.
 
So, Bloomer Creek and Heart and Hands. What other places did you visit, and any impressions you are willing to share?

I haven't had a chance to visit wineries up in the Finger Lakes in the last two years. I owe MarkS a visit in any case...
 
Visited Heart & Hands, Ravines, Red Newt, Atwater, Anthony Road, Kemmeter, Bloomer Creek and Hermann J. Wiemer, and managed to drink wines (a rose and a red pinot noir) from Forge as well as a riesling from Red Tail Ridge.

Drank Eminence Road before going and after returning; it wasn't on lists we saw in the region.

I'll jot down some impressions in a little bit. But of the different places visited, Bloomer Creek was the one that stuck out, quite far.
 
Drove by it, while listening to The Harder They Come, of all things.

Also drove by the place where Joseph Smith found the golden plates.
 
I found the dichotomy between indigenous fermentors and innoculators to be unusually stark, I hadn't really expected it to be so obvious. I suppose it might reflect other things as well--the small minority of wild folk may be doing other things differently. The other indigenous wine that was quite good, though to my taste without the extra dimension of Bloomer or Eminence, was Kemmeter.

Curiously, the winemaker at Kemmeter had a long history across the highway at Anthony Road that continues in a consulting capacity, and those wines completely failed to excite me.

I think there is a narrow spectrum of clonal selections, rootstocks, and yeasts that may homogenize the wines a bit.

I can speak with such authority, of course, because when you visit for just a few days you don't clutter up your generalizer with too many outliers.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Drove by it, while listening to The Harder They Come, of all things.

Also drove by the place where Joseph Smith found the golden plates.
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The Joseph Smith Farm is worth a visit. The docents are the friendliest people you'll ever meet, too. The monument on Hill Cumorah is also worth a drive up to see. I've never been to the pageant, though, in spite of having grown up in the area.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Visited Heart & Hands, Ravines, Red Newt, Atwater, Anthony Road, Kemmeter, Bloomer Creek and Hermann J. Wiemer, and managed to drink wines (a rose and a red pinot noir) from Forge as well as a riesling from Red Tail Ridge.

Drank Eminence Road before going and after returning; it wasn't on lists we saw in the region.

I'll jot down some impressions in a little bit. But of the different places visited, Bloomer Creek was the one that stuck out, quite far.
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No time for the Zucchini man? For shame, winegrrrl. The stories you might have...

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VLM:
Telling people the risks they should take to make their wine when there are real financial consequences to failure and you are not in the same boat yourself can be presumptuous.
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That's kind of an easy straw man. They are striving to make fine wines, not just to scrape by or to make standard-issue fare. It would be a risky step for them, of course, but it's not presumptuous to wonder if their wines wouldn't be better with the native yeasts. There are reasons people do risk it, even in places (as Joe mentions) such as the Chablisien or around Nantes.
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OK, I yield and withdraw my comment.
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WTF?

Bullshit.

If you are going to play Redneck on the wine boards you can't just go and give up when the middle class folks tell you to buck up and have more of their white wine values.

Seriously, why do I even have to say this? What has become of you?

A loss.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Visited Heart & Hands, Ravines, Red Newt, Atwater, Anthony Road, Kemmeter, Bloomer Creek and Hermann J. Wiemer, and managed to drink wines (a rose and a red pinot noir) from Forge as well as a riesling from Red Tail Ridge.

Drank Eminence Road before going and after returning; it wasn't on lists we saw in the region.

I'll jot down some impressions in a little bit. But of the different places visited, Bloomer Creek was the one that stuck out, quite far.
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Not Wiemer? They use the iYeasts.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

I can speak with such authority, of course, because when you visit for just a few days you don't clutter up your generalizer with too many outliers.
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This sort of introspection is why you are a star.
 
Ravines? Anything going there?

I get out to the Seneca Lake area a couple of times a year, not so much for wine as for other pursuits - so to speak.

The highlight of the last time we went Wine tasting was the guy with the cherry orchard across the road from Red Newt - Wickham, Twin Oaks, IIRC. He did PYO. Yum. Red (sweet and sour) and Rainier trees. But my understanding is that the PYO season is short, unpredictable and fickle so we've never been able to repeat the experience. And the restaurant at Red Newt was good, if a bit over ambitious.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
Ravines? Anything going there?

I get out to the Seneca Lake area a couple of times a year, not so much for wine as for other pursuits - so to speak.

The highlight of the last time we went Wine tasting was the guy with the cherry orchard across the road from Red Newt - Wickham, Twin Oaks, IIRC. He did PYO. Yum. Red (sweet and sour) and Rainier trees. But my understanding is that the PYO season is short, unpredictable and fickle so we've never been able to repeat the experience. And the restaurant at Red Newt was good, if a bit over ambitious.
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Wots a PYO?

Had definite plans for Red Newt one lunch, but in a plot twist had to drive a reluctant patient to the ER instead.

It all worked out pretty well as far as we can tell for the patient.

Traffic in Watkins Glen on a holiday weekend could try the soul of the saint of your choice. Particularly when your passenger needs to get to the ER, and you would prefer it to be sooner rather than later.
 
Wiemer had a pinot noir that tasted like last night's BTG bottle. On requesting a new pour (cheered on by the amiable women down the bar, who were also disappointed at the aldehydic, tired wine), the tasting room folk very gracefully opened another bottle, which sadly proved to be very little different from the first.

I don't know if it was the iYeast or what, but that was one miserable bottle of not-cheap wine. Totally brought the restaurant too-old BTG experience to the home drinker.
 
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