I tried, I'm guessing and Cliff may be able to correct or confirm me, the 2012 of both the Rouliers and the Monbenault this summer with Laurent Charvin. He was asking us about them because he thought they were off and we agreed. You could sense the wine underneath but they both had very odd noses and it did affect the taste. Laurent sent me home with a couple of bottles, making me promise to report back, to see if it was bottle variation. But they had the same odors on opening and they did not blow off with 24 hours of airing. He did think that it was the affect of the sans souffre.