Non spoofed 05 Bourgogne

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originally posted by Claude Kolm:
not understanding at all the view of quality producers toward chaptalization
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The truth is, I can't think of anyone in Burgundy who systematically refuses to chaptalize

you were saying?
 
Aleksandr, Claude was saying the "discussions here" are not understanding...

He wasn't saying he himself is not understanding.

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Aleksandr, Claude was saying the "discussions here" are not understanding...

He wasn't saying he himself is not understanding.

. . . . Pete

i'm glad you are not confused about the fact that sasha is not clear about the point claude kind of seems to be alluding to.

but i am. which discussions exactly? about which wines? and exactly *how* much sugar does it take to turn pinot of origin into a shit show?

based on teh long past of these kind of discussions, i'm confident that claude is not going do more than allude to insider information he can't possibly disclose, and that ain't going to help.

so how 'bout you pete: can you draw us a graph of this shit so far? one that will convey your understanding of what teh "the view of quality producers toward chaptalization" is?

and while you are at it, why not name teh quality producers whose views toward chaptalization we should take on bored? shit, push teh boat out, why not vouchsafe us claude's view of what teh quality producers' view toward chaptalization is in itself?

fb.
 
Richard, Your rather protracted posting leads me to apologize.

I was just offering a clarification.

There was no expectation nor intention of entering into any kind of skirmish that might (or might not?) be underway.

. . . . . Pete
 
The Sisters are known to chaptalize. A lot. I drank a 2009 Bourgogne, clocking 12.5%. I will ask if that was chaptalized as well. Just for the fun of it.

fb and myself will then start collaborating on the graph: sugar on the x axis and s*it show on the y axis.

It's only wine after all. Let's have a laugh or two.
 
originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:
Dance Little Sister...The Sisters are known to chaptalize. A lot. I drank a 2009 Bourgogne, clocking 12.5%. I will ask if that was chaptalized as well. Just for the fun of it.

fb and myself will then start collaborating on the graph: sugar on the x axis and s*it show on the y axis.

It's only wine after all. Let's have a laugh or two.

09 bourgogne is one seriously delicious wine right now, but i am drinking mine up

probably vosne as well
 
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2006 Georges Roumier Chambolle-Musigny Les Cras 13.0% was a bit closed, as might be expected from one not callused. Good balance, pleasant tannins, and light wood flavor (even light I find too much).

Don't know if the tannins come from stems or wood, and wonder why should I care, except that I would prefer the fomer, since I'd rather not have any flavor of the latter.

Even though the slow micro-ox of new wood does the wine good, I gather. As long as the must is robust. Robust enough to absorb the wood flavor.

Whenever a special occasion makes me pull out a relatively big gun, the bar is set high and often not met. The cost/benefit here is certainly dubious.

Why is this better than a Prieur made with good fruit and marred by wood? Perhaps it is better fruit, less marred. But, still. But still, what? Be still, my doubting heart.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
That stuff is basically allocated these days. Retailers make you buy six bottles of DRC in order to get one bottle of Rollin HCDB.

Correct. Just making sure that you've at least tried.

HCDB '10 was shockingly good in September. And yet in no way, shape or form ahead of schedule. Q.E.D.

The '12 Rollin HCDB just landed at Chambers St. Think there is also some DRC for sale, but not sure whether they are actually requiring you to buy it as a prerequisite for being able to buy the Rollin.
 
Bourgogne rouge has over the years seemed a much better buy in weaker vintages.05 Bourgognes will now need plenty of bottle age and on the whole won't be worth the wait.
 
Opened a 2012 Rollin HCDB tonight on a whim. Kind of a perfect time to start drinking these, although I think a couple more years sideways is not going to hurt. 99 points at least.
 
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