L-R 2010 at the TGJP

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pierre-alain benoit
Hello,
Last friday, Le Bon Tyran came to Paris and tasted 5 LR 2012 (Maxime Magnon, Didier Barral, Eric Pfifferling & Cyril Fhal) and 2 Montlouis (Stéphane Cossais).
See
www.tgjp.com and click on the Cole's picture.
Ask any questions on the forum and I will try to answer.
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
 
Yes, Comeyre is usually 90% Carignan and 10% Grenache Noir, while Traverses is usually 70% Syrah and the rest Grenache (since 2007), from Tavel vines. But why are these two being called Languedoc-Roussillon?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Yes, Comeyre is usually 90% Carignan and 10% Grenache Noir, while Traverses is usually 70% Syrah and the rest Grenache (since 2007), from Tavel vines. But why are these two being called Languedoc-Roussillon?
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Do you are shure "from tavel vines" ? It's a Vin de France from Gard and Gard is in Languedoc.
 
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Yes, Comeyre is usually 90% Carignan and 10% Grenache Noir, while Traverses is usually 70% Syrah and the rest Grenache (since 2007), from Tavel vines. But why are these two being called Languedoc-Roussillon?
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Do you are shure "from tavel vines" ? It's a Vin de France from Gard and Gard is in Languedoc.
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We corresponded a few years ago and that's what he said about the Traverses in the 2006 and 2007 vintages. May have changed, of course, but since he is based in Tavel, I understood that all his grapes come from somewhere in the general Côtes du Rhone area, not LR.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Yes, Comeyre is usually 90% Carignan and 10% Grenache Noir, while Traverses is usually 70% Syrah and the rest Grenache (since 2007), from Tavel vines. But why are these two being called Languedoc-Roussillon?
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Do you are shure "from tavel vines" ? It's a Vin de France from Gard and Gard is in Languedoc.
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We corresponded a few years ago and that's what he said about the Traverses in the 2006 and 2007 vintages. May have changed, of course, but since he is based in Tavel, I understood that all his grapes come from somewhere in the general Côtes du Rhone area, not LR.
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It's a "Vin de France" (not a IGP) from département du Gard and département du Gard is in the région Languedoc. It's just the law !
 
Comeyre and Traverses 2010 was not Vin de Pays (VDP) but Vin de France (VdF), so not an IGP. It was bottled in the village of Tavel in Gard so in Languedoc. It's just law. You're in France !
 
As can be seen here, before becoming VdF, Traverses was CdR.

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It was Cotes du Rhone or Vin de Pays. Now, it's Vin de France "mis en bouteilles... à 30120". Département 30 = Gard = Languedoc
 
originally posted by pab:
"mis en bouteilles... à 30120". Département 30 = Gard = Languedoc
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That's where it's bottled, but I believe Oswaldo is arguing that the vines are situated in the Côtes du Rhône appellation.

You wouldn't call, for instance, Eric Texier's St-Julien-en-St-Alban a Beaujolais.
 
Tavel's Code is 30126, i think, but same result. Pab, is all you are saying is that Tavel is of course in the Gard, and if the wine were given VdP or even AOC Tavel status, it can be labeled as Cotes du Rhone, as Tavel is within the AOC Cote du Rhone, but once it goes to VdF, you can't call it Cotes du Rhone any more and it must be called Languedoc? Obviously neither the vines nor the chai have moved ....
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by pab:
"mis en bouteilles... à 30120". Département 30 = Gard = Languedoc
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That's where it's bottled, but I believe Oswaldo is arguing that the vines are situated in the Côtes du Rhône appellation.

You wouldn't call, for instance, Eric Texier's St-Julien-en-St-Alban a Beaujolais.
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For those scratching their heads, Beaujolais is in the Rhone, administratively-speaking. Including Anglore in a Languedoc-Roussillon tasting is like including VdFs from Beaujolais in a Rhône tasting (and it would be technically correct).

originally posted by kirk wallace:
Tavel's Code is 30126, i think, but same result. Pab, is all you are saying is that Tavel is of course in the Gard, and if the wine were given VdP or even AOC Tavel status, it can be labeled as Cotes du Rhone, as Tavel is within the AOC Cote du Rhone, but once it goes to VdF, you can't call it Cotes du Rhone any more and it must be called Languedoc? Obviously neither the vines nor the chai have moved ....
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Woid.
 
Just not to admit that this wine had nothing to do in a languedoc roussillon tasting, pab is confusing, obviously on purpose, viticultural and administrative areas (regions) that sometimes don't match. Gard is an example but not the only one. Like Oswaldo perfectly noticed, following this intellectual scheme Ducroux Vin de France from Régnié will be part of his next Rhone tasting along with a bit of syrah from Ogier and some grenache from Pégau, which obviously make perfect sense.
Oups not Pégaü since it is in Vaucluse that is administratively speaking in Provence and should be in his next dégustations of VDF from Nice and Bandol. My bad.

Mon cher pab tu n'as réellement aucune limite en matière de crétinerie dialectique...

Ah oui avant que tu ne dégaines, il fait nuit à 18:30 en février dans la Drome et on préfère tailler de jour.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Taxonomic disagreements notwithstanding, I am always glad to read about these thematic dindins.
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It didn't say they had turkey.
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Ah, but it is well known that triptophan pairs better with vins de soif than vins de Gard.
 
What's the picture of that dinky little thing?
(solo on a plate, that looks like a curved piece of butter)
 
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